The 7/7 Report

[Badger Kitten]

Are you happy Prole? I am shaking with anger. This must give you a real thrill.

 

[Badger Kitten]

I am going to shout now to make myself feel better. It has been a hell of a week, and thank God for U75 where I can come and let off some steam.

FUCK OFF PROLE.

 

[pk]

Oh FFS, I and many other families and survivors ARE calling for an independent enquiry, and have been for months, and finally we are all over the papers and media saying it, hooray. Our calls are being heard. But our case is not helped by the hi-jacking of our case by conspiraloons, which means we run the risk of being tarred with the same brush,

Precisely - deluded cunts doing more to assist those who wish to censor information than anyone.

Mind you - some here could find a conspiracy in a crip packet.

 

[Badger Kitten]

And that is from the heart. On behalf of me, my partner, my family, Holly, Steve, and everyone else who was on the Kings Cross train and knows that it was bombed by Germaine Lindsay, suicide bombing murderer.


Good. Feel better now.


As I expect you do, because you have got the attention and reaction which you undoubtedly crave. Stop pretending this is about a search for truth and justice, it is about trolling and ego, your ego, you contemptible deluded apologist for mass-murderers

 

[jæd]

...I am sure that is what you want, you attention-seeking, lying troll.

As she's a troll (and I think we can argue that she fits all the requirements for this), how come she's still allowed to post...? She's obviously upsetting at least one poster here.

Why is she allowed to continue...?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but freedom to be a fuckwitted conspiraloonspud is a bit different...

 

[pk]

Is Prole the one who confronted a group of 7/7 survivors and told them it didn't happen...? How come she wasn't carted off to somewhere that could help her there and then...?

Is this really the case???

Can we really not ban the nosey meddling cunt from these boards?

 

[Prole]

The 7.24 arrived at Kings X at 8.23. Maybe the bombers took that train.

Why doesn't the official report based on intelligence security and police reports say that then?

As for BK's point about timetables, she is being disingenuous here because she knows we have the published timetables and the actual times the trains ran.

 

[TAE]

If someone can come up with solid proof that this train was cancelled, perhaps it could help to show that this narrative is inadequate and a full public enquirery would be good thing.

Beyond that, given the fact that the report author can't even get the year right, what is the fact that the same author thought they took a cancelled train meant to prove?

 

[pk]

And who is Bridget?

 

[TAE]

Prole, I think.

 

[editor]

As she's a troll (and I think we can argue that she fits all the requirements for this), how come she's still allowed to post...? She's obviously upsetting at least one poster here.

Why is she allowed to continue...?

I'm going to see what the other mods think on this (if I ban her, I'll no doubt be accused of 'censorship' so I'll let someone else make the decision).

 

[Prole]

Is this really the case???

Can we really not ban the nosey meddling cunt from these boards?

No it isn't. I sat quietly through the Milan Rai book launch and introduced myself to BK and Gill Hicks afterwards.

But I can see how easily rumour and smear spreads and becomes taken as fact.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Yes, her website is


Bridget Dunnes, linked on her profile.

 

[pk]

Why doesn't the official report based on intelligence security and police reports say that then?

As for BK's point about timetables, she is being disingenuous here because she knows we have the published timetables and the actual times the trains ran.

Have you ever actually used a Thameslink train?

I commuted for over a year via Thameslink, and I can tell you some deeply concerning conspiracies involving cancelled trains suddenly turning up - trains being cancelled without any notification, trains arriving, and leaving, too early.

Perhaps the CIA were operating the service??

Just to note - Thameslink no longer has the contract to operate the service, because of it's sloppy timetables, unreliability, and trains that come and go and cancel as they please.

If you really do actively disrupt meetings of 7/7 survivors, then I hope you get cancer in the eyes... or better still, blown up by the brainwashed prodigy of some mad mullah.

 

[editor]

No it isn't. I sat quietly through the Milan Rai book launch and introduced myself to BK and Gill Hicks afterwards.

So did you condemn the activities of those who harassed BK and other survivors and have you since completely dissociated yourself from the campaign group behind them?

Did you know the people who tried to disrupt the meeting? Had you met them before and discussed tactics?

 

[pk]

I'm going to see what the other mods think on this (if I ban her, I'll no doubt be accused of 'censorship' so I'll let someone else make the decision).

This fear of censorship is, in my opinion, just bollocks.

Time and again you allow these fuckwit conspiracy theories here - and they attract the type of nutters who are so desperate to pin the blame on MI6/The Professionals/Men In Black that they'll listen to anyone - even Jazzz...

I don't think anyone relevant would think you were acting against free speech to boot these fucking twats off.

 

[Greebozz]

This is about Prole's ego, nothing more, she is a deluded middle-aged woman who has got an obsessive hobby, and unfortunately her hobby involves attempting to claim that the mass-murderers of July 7th were innocent. It involves disrupting meetings, telling people that survivor groups ''are a means for people to get their stories straight'' and nit-picking over trivia whilst ignoring the fact that what she does is indescribably , breathtakingly offensive to the bereaved and survivors, whom she has the brass neck to claim she undertakes this ''research'' for. Her crap makes it HARDER for us to get a public enquiry, because thanks to her and her ilk, we can be described as conspiracy theorists and mad people.

Which is why I have spent ten months making it 100% clear that I want NOTHING to do with her poisonous drivel, insinuations, smears and bullshit.

You are damaging the camapign for a public enquiry, you are giving succour to those who seek to excuse mass murder and you are a trolling, bothersome, seemingly unstable pest. If you are ill, get help, if you are sane, then you are malicious and I do not forgive you for what you are doing, to me and to others.

You can't even provide a shred of a credible explanation to explain away the men being in London, carrying bombs, made by themselves, on trains and a bus, which then exploded. I am so angry that I can barely type. I am going for a cigarette. I would have liked to have slapped your face when you came up to me in the meeting about 7/7 and the Iraq war which you and your friends disrupted with your bullshit claims; I came home after sitting in the pub with the train driver and other survivors including one woman who lost her legs, and punched a pillow instead. That, Prole, is what i think of you. Go and clutch yourself with happiness that you have provoke dsuch a strong reaction, I am sure that is what you want, you attention-seeking, lying troll.

Very well said, that is one of the best bits of rip roaring, heart felt writing I think I have ever read.

 

[scalyboy]

Why doesn't the official report based on intelligence security and police reports say that then?

Don't know.
Maybe cos they think the precise train the bombers took is a minor detail, given the other evidence that they did indeed arrive in London, and did indeed set off the bombs.

 

[Prole]

I'm going to see what the other mods think on this (if I ban her, I'll no doubt be accused of 'censorship' so I'll let someone else make the decision).

I'm quite happy to leave these boards.

If you were to ban me what would be the reason though? I've only ever questioned the facts and evidence, that seems pretty reasonable. I've always been polite despite provocation and abuse.

If you were to ban me would you then have to have a policy of never questioning the official version of any event?

Or are you just taking BK's smears and vitriol as the truth (of which there is no evidence I must add).

 

[TAE]

Primary Source Found!

Ok, this information is from an email which appears to have originated from a thames link employee:
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/thameslink_database1.htm

BookedDepartureTime ActualDepartureTime ArrivalTimeAtKingsCross
07.16 ..................... 07.21 ................... 08.19
07.20 ..................... On time ................ 08.15
07.24 ..................... 07.25 ................... 08.23
07.30 ..................... 07.42 ................... 08.39
07.40 ..................... Cancelled ...............n/a
07.48 ..................... 07.56 ................... 08.42


As has been stated repeatedly, it is utterly possible that the bombers took the train at 07.25 and arrived at 08.23.

However, this does show that the narrative is rather lacking in factual accuracy.

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EDIT:

There is now reason to believe that the information on that site is not at all reliable.

See: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4638041&postcount=160

Never-the-less it seems very likely that this website was the source of the claim that the 7:40 had been cancelled.

 

[scalyboy]

Primary Source Found!

Ok, this information is from an email which appears to have originated from thames link:
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/thameslink_database1.htm

Booked departure time Actual departure time Arrival time at King's Cross Thameslink
07.16 07.21 08.19
07.20 On time 08.15
07.24 07.25 08.23
07.30 07.42 08.39
07.40 Cancelled n/a
07.48 07.56 08.42

Yep, I reckon they had already bought tickets. They were CCTV'd entering Luton station at 7.21 (if the CCTV video date-stamp was accurate, which is another kettle of fish), then they had 4 minutes to board the 7.24 (departing 1 minute late) that arrived at Kings X at 8.23, where apparently they were again CCTV'd (unreleased) at 8.26.

You can get from the car park entance to the farthest platform in 1 min 30 secs, so it is quite possible.

 

[pk]

Iare you just taking BK's smears and vitriol as the truth (of which there is no evidence I must add).

I'd take her word over yours in a microsecond.

You know nothing about 7/7, that much is blatantly obvious.

 

[laptop]

Primary Source Found!

Ok, this information is from an email which appears to have originated from thames link:
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/thameslink_database1.htm

That's a report of an email. And you'll have read the rest of the page and noted the report-er's, er, interests...

 

[Prole]

So did you condemn the activities of those who harassed BK and other survivors and have you since completely dissociated yourself from the campaign group behind them?

Did you know the people who tried to disrupt the meeting? Had you met them before and discussed tactics?

What is this? A new policy of collective guilt? I attended a book launch, not a survivor group, I went to hear what Milan Rai had to say about his book 7/7. I wasn't allowed to ask questions, altough I had many, no one was harrassed.

 

[TAE]

That's a report of an email. And you'll have read the rest of the page and noted the report-er's, er, interests...

It's a copy and paste of the actual email which includes the senders thameslink email address. I'm happy with that.

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EDIT:

There is now reason to believe that the information on that site is not at all reliable.

See: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4638041&postcount=160

Never-the-less it seems very likely that this website was the source of the claim that the 7:40 had been cancelled.

 

[Badger Kitten]

some examples of Prole's smears and vitriol...

From a loonsite where Prole likes to hang around, where an entire thread was devoted to whether I am a disinformation agent and Governemtn stooge, a discussion which Prole happily joined in, and continued on another loonsite....

I've explained why I defended myself on a thread devoted to wonderign who I am and what I beleive, because I needed to distance myself from the fruitbats who were hi-jacking the calls for a public enquiry with the loonspudery conspirashite. Even at the cost of pests on my blog, aggressive emaisl, phone calls to my family and an increase in my blood pressure.

The very busy Rachel North, or should that be the only voice of the survivors of July 7th?, seems to have had quite a week. A forthcoming 'audience' with Charles Clarke, just her and her dad, is also looming.



On Wednesday 15th March, she pops up again to express her views on how it took TWO HOURS for ambulances to reach the injured at Russell Square. Do the State Brainwashing Corporation ask one of those that had to wait 2 hours for an ambulance? Maybe one of those severely injured? No, they interview our very own Rachel North who took a cab to the hospital, 30 minutes after the explosion.


Prior to which Rachel North, is invited to speak at Westminster Abbey, as a survivor of July 7th (why not ask an injured survivor? Danny Biddle, Gill Hicks, John Tulloch et al?). ( NOTE: BECAUSE I SET UP A SURVIVOR GROUP AND WAS ASKED TO SPEAK ON 'WORKING FOR PEACE AND HEALING'
Call me cynical, but if after she meets with Clarke, the 'narrative' is now dropped in favour of a limited Inquiry, into say, how the emergency services responded or how 'Muslims' can be prevented from carrying out further 'attacks', an inquiry that is limited and takes years to produce a report, then Rachel will really have served her purpose for the State. There are advantages to having 'only one voice' of the survivors of July 7th, it can then be the 'voice' that says the things the State wants us all to hear. Remember, Rachel said "We know what happened that day, we just want to know why and how it can be prevented from happening again".

I expect Clarke can take a great deal of comfort from those words....

This is odd, because I have been calling for Clarke's resignation and campaigning for a public enquiry for months. She's also said that the survivor group I set up '' is a means [me ensuring] of everyone gets their stories straight.'' And so on and so on. SDhe has made it quite clear what she thinks of me, when she makes remarks like '' Facts, Rachel? Or just another thing that mustn't get in the way of a good story?''


Just shag off, you sad bat, I have had a bellyful of your wierdery.

 

[editor]

What is this? A new policy of collective guilt? I attended a book launch, not a survivor group, I went to hear what Milan Rai had to say about his book 7/7. I wasn't allowed to ask questions, altough I had many, no one was harrassed.

I'm trying to establish your relationship with a group that harasses, slurs, defames, upsets and hounds 7/7 survivors and their families.

So, will you answer the question please?

 

[editor]

If you were to ban me would you then have to have a policy of never questioning the official version of any event?

Section 10 of the FAQ - you know, the thing that your highly tuned investigative mind completely forgot to read, despite it being a condition of posting here, and the page being linked from every single page on the boards with a reminder posted on the top of every single forum.

10. Nutters 'Sheeple'-accusing, bigoted gun nuts, ranting xenophobes, cut'n'pasters, God-squad, disruptive 'comical' alter-egos, conspiraloons, fruitloops and small minded bigots are not welcome.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

Fucking hell, not this load of shite again!

 

[editor]

Yep, I reckon they had already bought tickets. They were CCTV'd entering Luton station at 7.21 (if the CCTV video date-stamp was accurate, which is another kettle of fish),.

Indeed. Have you checked this Prole?

And don't forget to produce the proof of your emphatic 'Photoshoppery' claim and explain the significance of the white bag/trousders, please, because it's lost on me.