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Dogsauce said:
Reading what Cameron says today, he genuinely believes people loved her, doesn't he? That's what's behind the elaborate ceremony, the extra day in parliament. He actually thinks this is deserved. Surrounded by the political class and the well to do, he really has no clue how much she was hated - he just thinks it's a handful of people in a working men's club in the north and a handful of trots with the dissenting opinion. This is what happens when you elect someone with no connection to those they rule over. I wonder if some of the old eastern bloc rulers had the same delusions before they got strung up?
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'Let them eat cake' innit? Twas ever thus.
 
butchersapron said:
What's this bollocks, i'm banned from the telegraph so can't see:

Police are preparing for violent scenes tomorrow after football fans vowed to confront anti-Thatcher protesters soa.li/al0Ziud
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Officers will have to deal with three protests by left-wing groups, including an event to "celebrate" the death of Baroness Thatcher in Trafalgar Square, as 50,000 football fans head into central London following the FA Cup semi-final between Millwall and Wigan.
Fans from Millwall have threatened to confront the anti-Thatcher protesters. The public have been warned to avoid central London.
Tomorrow night thousands have vowed to hold a party to celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher in Trafalgar Square.
On the same day, UK Uncut, the anti-austerity protest group, have promised to hold a day of "civil disobedience" in protest to reforms to welfare, in which they will "evict" the "architects of austerity". It could mean the homes of Cabinet ministers are targeted.
And separately, the TUC is leading a march from 11am of "one thousand mothers" against benefit cuts in Tottenham - the scene of the worst disorder in London eighteen months ago.
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On Saturday night, 50,000 fans from Millwall and Wigan are due to convene on Wembley, north west London, for the FA Cup Semi Final.
Tensions between fans are likely to be running high after debates over whether a minute's silence should be held this Saturday, which is also the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster.
Supporters will be making their way back through the capital after the final whistle has blown 7pm. Millwall's home is in south east London, while Wigan fans are likely to head towards Euston station.
At the same time, left-wing protestors are expected to be in Trafalgar Square, the scene of the worst of the poll tax rioting, in a "celebration" of Baroness Thatcher's death from 6pm. The event, billed as "the party of a lifetime", is thought to have been planned by anarchist groups for some years, having been pencilled in for 'the Saturday after Thatcher's dies'.
It is feared the two groups could clash.
Richard Tracey, a Greater London Assembly member who served as the Sports Minister in Lady Thatcher’s government, has warned members of the public to stay away from central London as it could descend into “chaos”.
He said: “Whenever any of these large demonstrations and marches are on it is always better for the public to keep very clear, because they can get nasty.”
Mr Tracey, who dealt with hooliganism during his time in Parliament, said that they combination of events was “very unfortunate” for the police who were already stretched dealing with the FA cup semi final.
The former Conservative MP, who said he was “very much against” the anti-Thatcher protests, said: “There is always the chance that this could cause chaos if one of the events runs into the other.
"Who knows what could happen as they all seem to get rather tribal.”
Football fans have warned of a confrontation on social media.
One Millwall fan with the Twitter handle 'Ricky MFC Mitchell' said: "To all you p----- protesting on Sat at Trafalgar sq about thatcher, be warned Millwall in town and in force, expect abuse from me #Millwall".
Another user wrote: "The commies are having a party to celebrate Thatcher dying at Trafalgar Sq Saturday. 30k Millwall fans will be about too in London that day."
Scotland Yard have said that they are monitoring social network sites, but added that they will have an "appropriate number of officers" on duty.
They already have an policing plan in place for both the FA Cup game and the Trafalgar Square demonstration, but it is unclear whether they have made allowances for the two crowds meeting and the prospect of officers being diverted by UK Uncut.
They have been frustrated by the anti-Thatcher groups' refusal to reveal all their plans.
During the day, hundreds of UK Uncut activists will launch a fresh campaign of civil disobedience in protest at the Government's controversial welfare changes.
The direct action group said it will hold events in central London to bring the impact of the cuts home to "millionaire misery makers" and highlight the effect of the bedroom tax and the cuts to benefits.
Rachel Johnson, a UK Uncut activist, said: "This government is turning Margaret Thatcher's wildest dreams into a nightmarish reality for ordinary people.”
The exact locations of the protests will not be revealed until tomorrow. However, it called on the public to target their "local millionaire misery maker". The group has publicly distanced itself from Trafalgar Square party.
Professor Simon Holdaway, a policing expert from Sheffield University, says tomorrow presents police with a demanding “jigsaw puzzle” which will stretch resources.
If any trouble flares, it will be a bad omen for Wednesday’s funeral, for which emotions are already running high, Professor Holdaway said.
London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that the Metropolitan Police are prepared for rioting.
He said the public is entitled to protest but added: “What they can’t do is, I think, is use the death of an elderly person to begin riot or affray or that sort of thing. So we’re getting ready for all that.”
 
laptop said:
How's that work?

Have heard second-hand from a Millwall supporter that loads are heading for the Square after the match, yes. But it was framed as anti-Thatcher, unless I mis-heard :confused:
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When i click on a link it informs me that i've used up my free 20 articles a week. Always people prepared to help though :cool:
 
The Telegraph said:
And separately, the TUC is leading a march from 11am of "one thousand mothers" against benefit cuts in Tottenham - the scene of the worst disorder in London eighteen months ago.
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That bit's particularly pathetic. The Telegraph's offices, by the way, are only a stone's throw from Victoria Station, where only last year a teenager was stabbed to death. (See what I did there?)
 
Is this a warning to scare off protesters from attending or preparing the ground for a repressive policing operation? Boris 's comments seem to hint at the latter. In any case I'd certainly hesitate at the thought of a big bunch of Millwall fans descending.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Everything to do with her has been in the news. The position of north sea oil to her advantage has hardly been high up the list.
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You think that it should have been the blazing headline on every article? Pretty much every serious look at her economic policies/impact has mentioned it - right wing ones included. I just gave you a whole list of them.
 
Fantastic Mark Steel article in the Indy:

You can't just shut us up now that Margaret Thatcher's dead

Maybe a more modern way of broadcasting the news would have been for Davina McCall to announce it, saying: “She’s gone, but let’s have a look at some of her best bits.” Then we could see her denouncing Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and befriending General Pinochet.
Instead it began as expected, with the Hurds, Howes and Archers phoning in their “remarkables” and “historics”, and we were reminded how she brought down the Berlin Wall and rescued Britain, then an article in The Timesclaimed she was responsible for ending apartheid, and it seemed by today we’d be hearing she stopped Gibraltar being invaded by Daleks and made our goldfish feel proud to be British and took 8 for 35 against Australia to win the Ashes.
“Even those who disagreed with her, respected her as a conviction politician”, it was said many times, as if everyone would participate in the mourning. But soon it was impossible to pretend there was a respectful consensus, not because of the odd party in the street, but from a widespread and considered contempt. In many areas it must have been confusing for Jehovah’s Witnesses, as every time they knocked on a door and asked, “Have you heard the good news”, they’d be told “Yes mate, I have, do you want to come in for a beer?”
Before long came the complaints, such as Tony Blair saying: “Even if you disagree with someone very strongly, at the moment of their passing you should show some respect.” Presumably then, when Bin Laden was killed, Blair’s statement was: “Although I didn’t agree with Osama’s policies, he was a conviction terrorist, a colourful character whose short films were not only fun but educational as well. He will be sadly missed.”
The disrespect was inevitable, as millions were opposed to her not because they disagreed with her, but because she’d helped to ruin their lives. If someone robs your house, you don’t say: “I disagreed with the burglar’s policy, of tying me to a chair with gaffer tape and stripping the place bare, even taking the pickled onions, which I consider to be divisive. But I did admire his convictions.”
For example, a Chilean woman living in Britain was quoted in The Nationmagazine, saying: “The Thatcher government directly supported Pinochet’s murderous regime, financially, via military support, even military training. Members of my family were tortured and murdered under Pinochet, who was one of Thatcher’s closest allies and friend. Those of us celebrating are the ones who suffered deeply.” Yes, but she was able to buy shares in British Gas so she was better off in other ways. In so many areas, the party that insists we show compassion for their departed heroine made a virtue of showing none when she was their leader. She didn’t just create unemployment, she gloried in it. Her supporters in the City revelled in their unearned wealth all the more because they could jeer at those with nothing.
But this week Thatcher fans have been unrestrained in their abuse for anyone not displaying “compassion”. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept they’ve just discovered it. They’re all going to the doctors saying: “I’ve been getting this strange sort of caring feeling towards someone who isn’t me. Do I need antibiotics?” If they’re puzzled as to why there isn’t universal sadness this week, maybe they should visit Corby. It’s a town that was built in the 1930s, entirely round a steelworks, and thousands of unemployed Scots moved there for the work. As a result its people still have a strong Scottish accent, even though it’s in Northamptonshire.
But in 1980 Margaret Thatcher’s government shut down most of the steel industry, as part of her plan to break the unions, and the effect on Corby was like someone taking control of the Lake District and concreting in the lakes.
I was there to record a radio show about the town, and met Don and Irene, both in their seventies, at the Grampian Club. Don’s father had walked to Corby from Larkhall, near Glasgow, in 1932. I mentioned the steel strike and plant closure to Don, but he gestured as if it had somehow passed him by. It would have to be mentioned in the show, so I tried to find someone in the town with a story, an anecdote, something. But no one wanted to say a thing about it. During the recording, I asked if anyone had a story to tell from those days, but no one did, until it felt as if the whole audience collectively passed a motion that went: “I think you’d best move on to another subject, Mark.”
Afterwards in the bar, Irene told me: “We weren’t being rude, love, when we didn’t have a lot to say about the closure. But it wasn’t an easy time. Don marched from Corby to London with a banner. It made him angry about everything, we split up for a year because it was too much to live with. But we were lucky, two of our closest friends committed suicide in the months after the closure. So people would rather forget about those times really. But apart from that we really enjoyed the show.”
Still, even those who disagree with her policies, will surely commend her achievements.
Strangely, it’s now her supporters who are insulting her memory, with a funeral paid for by the taxpayer. Surely it would be more fitting to leave her where she is, and say: “If you can’t stand on your own two feet, you can't expect help from the state.”
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...now-that-margaret-thatchers-dead-8568785.html
 
laptop said:
Must. Find. Conspiracy. Somewhere. ?
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No one tells the truth, here is the truth hidden from you! For some that is a hard thing to get beyond - but just look at all the right-wing papers mentioning, highlighting it even. You've picked a wrong one here taffers.
 
B0B2oo9 said:
Officers will have to deal with three protests by left-wing groups, including an event to "celebrate" the death of Baroness Thatcher in Trafalgar Square, as 50,000 football fans head into central London following the FA Cup semi-final between Millwall and Wigan.
Fans from Millwall have threatened to confront the anti-Thatcher protesters. The public have been warned to avoid central London.
Tomorrow night thousands have vowed to hold a party to celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher in Trafalgar Square.
On the same day, UK Uncut, the anti-austerity protest group, have promised to hold a day of "civil disobedience" in protest to reforms to welfare, in which they will "evict" the "architects of austerity". It could mean the homes of Cabinet ministers are targeted.
And separately, the TUC is leading a march from 11am of "one thousand mothers" against benefit cuts in Tottenham - the scene of the worst disorder in London eighteen months ago.
Related Articles
On Saturday night, 50,000 fans from Millwall and Wigan are due to convene on Wembley, north west London, for the FA Cup Semi Final.
Tensions between fans are likely to be running high after debates over whether a minute's silence should be held this Saturday, which is also the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster.
Supporters will be making their way back through the capital after the final whistle has blown 7pm. Millwall's home is in south east London, while Wigan fans are likely to head towards Euston station.
At the same time, left-wing protestors are expected to be in Trafalgar Square, the scene of the worst of the poll tax rioting, in a "celebration" of Baroness Thatcher's death from 6pm. The event, billed as "the party of a lifetime", is thought to have been planned by anarchist groups for some years, having been pencilled in for 'the Saturday after Thatcher's dies'.
It is feared the two groups could clash.
Richard Tracey, a Greater London Assembly member who served as the Sports Minister in Lady Thatcher’s government, has warned members of the public to stay away from central London as it could descend into “chaos”.
He said: “Whenever any of these large demonstrations and marches are on it is always better for the public to keep very clear, because they can get nasty.”
Mr Tracey, who dealt with hooliganism during his time in Parliament, said that they combination of events was “very unfortunate” for the police who were already stretched dealing with the FA cup semi final.
The former Conservative MP, who said he was “very much against” the anti-Thatcher protests, said: “There is always the chance that this could cause chaos if one of the events runs into the other.
"Who knows what could happen as they all seem to get rather tribal.”
Football fans have warned of a confrontation on social media.
One Millwall fan with the Twitter handle 'Ricky MFC Mitchell' said: "To all you p----- protesting on Sat at Trafalgar sq about thatcher, be warned Millwall in town and in force, expect abuse from me #Millwall".
Another user wrote: "The commies are having a party to celebrate Thatcher dying at Trafalgar Sq Saturday. 30k Millwall fans will be about too in London that day."
Scotland Yard have said that they are monitoring social network sites, but added that they will have an "appropriate number of officers" on duty.
They already have an policing plan in place for both the FA Cup game and the Trafalgar Square demonstration, but it is unclear whether they have made allowances for the two crowds meeting and the prospect of officers being diverted by UK Uncut.
They have been frustrated by the anti-Thatcher groups' refusal to reveal all their plans.
During the day, hundreds of UK Uncut activists will launch a fresh campaign of civil disobedience in protest at the Government's controversial welfare changes.
The direct action group said it will hold events in central London to bring the impact of the cuts home to "millionaire misery makers" and highlight the effect of the bedroom tax and the cuts to benefits.
Rachel Johnson, a UK Uncut activist, said: "This government is turning Margaret Thatcher's wildest dreams into a nightmarish reality for ordinary people.”
The exact locations of the protests will not be revealed until tomorrow. However, it called on the public to target their "local millionaire misery maker". The group has publicly distanced itself from Trafalgar Square party.
Professor Simon Holdaway, a policing expert from Sheffield University, says tomorrow presents police with a demanding “jigsaw puzzle” which will stretch resources.
If any trouble flares, it will be a bad omen for Wednesday’s funeral, for which emotions are already running high, Professor Holdaway said.
London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that the Metropolitan Police are prepared for rioting.
He said the public is entitled to protest but added: “What they can’t do is, I think, is use the death of an elderly person to begin riot or affray or that sort of thing. So we’re getting ready for all that.”
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Typical fucking scare-mongering. A couple of bigmouths shout the odds on twitter, and the OB and the Establishment have an instant justification for oppression. :hmm: :hmm:
 
tenniselbow said:
Is this a warning to scare off protesters from attending or preparing the ground for a repressive policing operation? Boris 's comments seem to hint at the latter. In any case I'd certainly hesitate at the thought of a big bunch of Millwall fans descending.
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Bit of both IMO.
 
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