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Teachers - "British values" and all that

maomao said:
Why would it be on Zoom? Schools have been open since March. They don't even wear masks anymore.

Anyway, there are four sex ed units for y10 this year and I am alternating with their main form teacher as I'm a trainee. She's going to do some of the more embarrassing stuff, consent and family planning, for their sake (so the new middle aged man isn't launching straight into the abortions lesson) but I've got LTRs and parenting. Citizenship is centrally planned and I haven't actually looked at the lesson yet but I've previously done citizenship without reading the lesson plans first anyway. It'll probably be bollocks.
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Ok but what is in the lesson plan about Long Term Relationships? Just curious. What do you say about them?
 
bimble said:
Ok but what is in the lesson plan about Long Term Relationships? Just curious. What do you say about them?
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I'll try and let you know when I've looked or done it. I'll be up till midnight with the marking and planning I have as it is.
 
S☼I said:
Well, some of it's ok as Spangles says. Tolerance of other people's beliefs is a good thing to teach kids. Not sure what you think is taught in private schools but I'd guess it's the same or worse - look what awful people they churn out.
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That’s a ridiculous thing to say. Half the people on here have been to private school and they’re lovely. You just can’t make sweeping statements like that without sounding ignorant.
 
S☼I said:
No, only fee-paying and well known fee paying. Boarding school doesn't necessarily mean private either, there were boarders at my secondary
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Thats a stretch. I’ve never heard of that before unless it’s a special needs school like Katie Prices lad goes to.
 
Edie said:
The fact you are expected to peddle that embarrassing bullshit of course
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It's only really embarrassing bullshit because they've just taken standard bourgeois civics stuff and stuck a British flag on it, when it would it be just as acceptable in many other countries without it. Judging from what others have been saying in this thread, it seems fairly easy for a thoughtful teacher to present it without all the extraneous flag-shagging.
 
Slight tangent but my mate used to teach PSE (sex and drugs, mainly, she said) in a Hackney high school, about 20 years ago.

I first realised how badly I wanted to be her friend when she told me this story:

As part of the sex education she invited pupils to write questions on bits of paper and put them in a box, anonymously, for her to answer out loud to the whole class.

It was the end of the day on the last day of school before the summer holidays.

Someone had asked how to cope with excessive thoughts of sex that were distracting them.

She got over enthusiastic and without thinking bellowed "HAVE A WANK!".

The bell rang, immediately, and they all went off on holidays, leaving her to squirm in embarrassment and fear of what they might be thinking and saying about her for the next 6-7 weeks.
 
BillRiver said:
Even if you assume all the boarders in that poll were at private, fee paying schools, it's still a small minority that went to a private school.
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I think the problem here is I’m assuming grammar schools are private (cos Leeds Grammar and Bradford Grammar are). But I think you are assuming they are state.
 
Edie said:
I think the problem here is I’m assuming grammar schools are private (cos Leeds Grammar and Bradford Grammar are). But I think you are assuming they are state.
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Ah! Yes, I was assuming that and didn't know that some are private. Thanks for explaining!
 
Edie said:
Thats a stretch. I’ve never heard of that before unless it’s a special needs school like Katie Prices lad goes to.
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State boarding was offered to forces kids wasn’t it?

I looked at that poll, it was during my urban hiatus but I would have voted grammar school - a state school, pass a test at 11 and you’re in. Having “grammar” in a title doesn’t indicate state or private so I can see that it can be unclear.

interesting thread. Not sure these values are particularly uniquely British, does talking about the values make our young people feel privileged to live here? :D
 
Edie said:
I think the problem here is I’m assuming grammar schools are private (cos Leeds Grammar and Bradford Grammar are). But I think you are assuming they are state.
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Bradford Grammar wasn't private when my dad went there! When did this happen?

'fee-paying' would be the right box to tick if someone went to a fee paying school with the word grammar in its name.
 
Edie said:
Aren’t all the other options private?
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Nope I went to grammar school because I passed the 11+ exam (you might be too young to remember that), it was a free state school, they just filtered out the brightest (based on a single test at 11) 20% of the plebs including me.
It didn't cost my parents anything and my three siblings went to the local secondary modern. (comphrensives were rare if non existent in the 70's)
 
MickiQ said:
Nope I went to grammar school because I passed the 11+ exam (you might be too young to remember that), it was a free state school, they just filtered out the brightest (based on a single test at 11) 20% of the plebs including me.
It didn't cost my parents anything and my three siblings went to the local secondary modern. (comphrensives were rare if non existent in the 70's)
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Oh is that what a ‘secondary modern’ was.
 
S☼I said:
Just going on the first secondary I went to, it was an ordinary secondary that had a block for boarders. They weren't fee paying other than for boarding and it wasn't a fee paying school.
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That’s mad. Was that common? I’ve never heard of that. Was it for forces kids, like someone else said?
 
S☼I said:
It gets really interesting when you cover PREVENT and get a debate going with the students about the fact "extremism" is defined by the government as "vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values"
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Ok. It's not quite that bad in the stuff I have read.
It does tend to make a difference between disagreement and actions that damage. I will say it does tend towards having everyone agree but it does dive an out to the 'conscientious objector' sorta.
 
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