Suarez gets 8 match ban

[gabi]

There's just no helping some people is there?

No

 

[TruXta]

What has Hernandez said on twitter?

 

[goldenecitrone]

What has Hernandez said on twitter?

He's called Suarez a nonce, although nonce means Happy Christmas in Mexican.

 

[ignatious]

Are you suggesting he didn't use the term at all or he used it in the normal affectionate way?

He's admitted using the term. He denies he used it to cause offence. So not 'affectionately', just not offensively. Much as someone might say 'bruv' or 'bro' to diffuse a situation here. (He did, according to Evra, use it when they were both being spoken to by the ref, which, unless he is stupid beyond belief, would suggest that he was genuinely unaware that it was going to cause offence).

 

[ignatious]

What has Hernandez said on twitter?

He's used the word 'negrito' to describe a Chivas player.

 

[TruXta]

He's used the word 'negrito' to describe a Chivas player.

Oh right, I remember that now.

 

[butchersapron]

He's admitted using the term. He denies he used it to cause offence. So not 'affectionately', just not offensively. Much as someone might say 'bruv' or 'bro' to diffuse a situation here. (He did, according to Evra, use it when they were both being spoken to by the ref, which, unless he is stupid beyond belief, would suggest that he was genuinely unaware that it was going to cause offence).

I fail to see how you use a term of affection like that in the normal sense in the middle of a stand up row.

 

[ignatious]

I fail to see how you use a term of affection like that in the normal sense in the middle of a stand up row.

So do I, but was it definitely said in the middle of a stand up row?

 

[butchersapron]

So do I, but was it definitely said in the middle of a stand up row?

Well yes.

 

[ignatious]

Well yes.

Have you seen the full FA report?

 

[gabi]

He's admitted using the term. He denies he used it to cause offence. So not 'affectionately', just not offensively. Much as someone might say 'bruv' or 'bro' to diffuse a situation here. (He did, according to Evra, use it when they were both being spoken to by the ref, which, unless he is stupid beyond belief, would suggest that he was genuinely unaware that it was going to cause offence).

You're a cunt. In New Zealand that means I love your work.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you seen the full FA report?

I've seen the charge:

Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match.
The insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra’s colou

Is that not a row?

 

[ignatious]

Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match.
The insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra’s colour

Is that not a row?

That's the problem though isn't it? They offer no context, just that the word in itself is sufficient to pass judgement.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I fail to see how you use a term of affection like that in the normal sense in the middle of a stand up row.

"Easy there, mate", "Watch yourself, pal", "Do you want some, my little buttercup of joy?".

 

[gabi]

That's the problem though isn't it? They offer no context, just that the word in itself is sufficient to pass judgement.

The context was that it was a match between the most vicious rivals in English football, in a crunch game. Do you think he was being friendly?

 

[butchersapron]

That's the problem though isn't it? They offer no context, just that the word in itself is sufficient to pass judgement.

It's pretty bloody clear that they were having a row. Of all the possible get outs the suggestion that they weren't is surely the weakest.

 

[Lord Camomile]

The context was that it was a match between the most vicious rivals in English football, in a crunch game. Do you think he was being friendly?

Some are able to rise above the occasion

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

That's the problem though isn't it? They offer no context, just that the word in itself is sufficient to pass judgement.

Have you read the judgement? Where can the rest of us see it?

 

[temper_tantrum]

CPS has authorised John Terry prosecution apparently.

http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2011/12/cps-decision-on-john-terry-case.html#tp

 

[Ted Striker]

CPS are charging John Terry...Interesting move (beat me to it)

 

[krink]

CPS has authorised John Terry prosecution apparently.

http://blog.cps.gov.uk/2011/12/cps-decision-on-john-terry-case.html#tp

I don't even care if he is guilty, I just hate the fucker. I actually hope he is innocent but gets found guilty and then loses on appeal too.

 

[ignatious]

It's pretty bloody clear that they were having a row. Of all the possible get outs the suggestion that they weren't is surely the weakest.

It's clear that they were having a row, it's not clear when he said it. If he shouted it into his face at the height of the spat it would be a pretty clear case. If he said it as the ref was speaking to them both and the situation had been diffused, then it would be less clear.

Terry will face charges it has been announced.

 

[ignatious]

Have you read the judgement? Where can the rest of us see it?

It's on the FA website. The full report will be made public by the end of the week.

 

[temper_tantrum]

It seems to me that in both these cases, in different ways, there is a question of intention. To what extent does, and should, intention matter?

 

[butchersapron]

It's clear that they were having a row, it's not clear when he said it. If he shouted it into his face at the height of the spat it would be a pretty clear case. If he said it as the ref was speaking to them both and the situation had been diffused, then it would be less clear.

Well again:

Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match.
The insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra’s colour

 

[ignatious]

Well again:

And again: 'negrito' may or may not be deemed as an insulting word. It depends on context. Until the FA provide evidence of the context it is going to be a matter of debate is it not?

 

[butchersapron]

And again: 'negrito' may or may not be deemed as an insulting word. It depends on context. Until the FA provide evidence of the context it is going to be a matter of debate is it not?

We were debating whether it was used in the context of a row - you doubted it. Do you now?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It's on the FA website. The full report will be made public by the end of the week.

It just says he's been found guilty of the charge AFAIK. So to say they've done that on the basis that 'just saying the word is enough' isn't obviously true at the moment.

 

[ignatious]

We were debating whether it was used in the context of a row - you doubted it. Do you now?

As I said, if he shouted it into his face at the height of the spat it would be a pretty clear case. If he said it as the ref was speaking to them both and the situation had been diffused, then it would be less clear.

 

[ignatious]

It just says he's been found guilty of the charge AFAIK. So to say they've done that on the basis that 'just saying the word is enough' isn't obviously true at the moment.

They haven't made public the evidence and their reasoning, is the point.