Suarez gets 8 match ban

[Deareg]

it's just bizarre. Like he and Suarez gets to decide FOR Evra if he has a right to be offended.

Not just whether Evra has the right to be offended. It is not an acceptable term to all black Uruguayans either. From the expert witness's that the FA called.

First, there are some black people in Uruguay and other areas of Latin America who object​

to the use of the word "negro" as a term of address, as they say it highlights skin colour​

when this should be irrelevant. This is the use of the word "negro" (ie as a term of address)​

which Mr Suarez contended before us is acceptable, yet his view appears to be contentious​

with some in Uruguay and Latin America​

 

[twistedAM]

it's just bizarre. Like he and Suarez gets to decide FOR Evra if he has a right to be offended.

Old dude not moving with the times. I'm kind of surprised at the American owners.

 

[Fedayn]

So, you quote a comment from this thread and not from a thread re Hillsborough to which I was referring. I'd go back to bed if I were you....

 

[Wilf]

I actually like Dalglish and particularly the idea of a manager saying what he thinks unmediated by corporate PR. Just happens that in this case he's got it so spectacularly wrong and is making the whole thing worse. In the Business Schools they'll be taking Gerald Ratner off their Powerpoint slides and putting Kenny in as an example of foot in mouth PR.

Not that well up on Liverpool's structure, but did I hear they've now got a less powerful Chief Exec? This whole thing is certainly playing out as if there is nobody sat in that particular office. Edit: was the last one sacked by the previous owner or summat??

 

[Fedayn]

it's just bizarre. Like he and Suarez gets to decide FOR Evra if he has a right to be offended.

What surprises me re Dalglish utterly inadequate and frankly cretinous behaviour in all of this is how far he has slipped from his days as manager previously when he handled the horror of Hillsborough with genuine dignity, genuine humanity and frankly without peer. And yet here we have the same man behaving like an idiot on a mission to make himself king of idiots.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Not just whether Evra has the right to be offended. It is not an acceptable term to all black Uruguayans either. From the expert witness's that the FA called.

First, there are some black people in Uruguay and other areas of Latin America who object​

to the use of the word "negro" as a term of address, as they say it highlights skin colour​

when this should be irrelevant. This is the use of the word "negro" (ie as a term of address)​

which Mr Suarez contended before us is acceptable, yet his view appears to be contentious​

with some in Uruguay and Latin America​

Even if that weren't the case though. Take "paki" for example, now, to my knowledge, the UK is the only country where the shortened form of Pakistani is deemed offensive. A lot of my students (am a TEFL teacher) have used it in my classes. Now, they're not trying to demean anyone or be racist (and obviously I correct it and tell them it's not acceptable here), but if they used it to describe a Pakistani person it would be offensive, unintentionally. Does it make them racists? No. Should they apologise for offence caused? Of course they fucking should. Is a simple "sorry, I didn't mean to offend you" so hard?

 

[Deareg]

Absolutely, a simple sorry should be enough as long as it is not used again.

On another point, the use of that word seems to be changing, my brother who was dating a pakistani woman at the time reckoned it was acceptable to pakistanis to use the word, I would imagine again though it would be about context and probably whether or not they knew the person using it.

 

[goldenecitrone]

So, you quote a comment from this thread and not from a thread re Hillsborough to which I was referring.

Just noting again your hatred for everything to do with LFC, which is barely hidden behind your figleaf of concern for the Hillsborough families.

 

[butchersapron]

Just noting again your hatred for everything to do with LFC, which is barely hidden behind your figleaf of concern for the Hillsborough families.

And now you look like a bigger dick than SK.Well done. Some going.

 

[Fedayn]

Just noting again your hatred for everything to do with LFC, which is barely hidden behind your figleaf of concern for the Hillsborough families.

What's not to despise about Liverpool and Dalglish handling of this?

'figleaf of concern'? Yes dear, off you pop now, back to bed.

 

[goldenecitrone]

And now you look like a bigger dick than SK.Well done. Some going.

Least my dick works, you impotent arse.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What's not to despise about Liverpool and Dalglish handling of this?

'figleaf of concern'? Yes dear, off you pop now, back to bed.

You've despised LFC for years, for whatever weird reason. It's hardly a new development.

 

[butchersapron]

Least my dick works, you impotent arse.

Biology lesson for GC i think.

 

[Fedayn]

You've despised LFC for years, for whatever weird reason. It's hardly a new development.

Of course I don't like them, I hate the club. But, weirdly enough, I think LFC fans should be able to go to a game, and get home safely rather than be killed by incompetent liars and then have their deaths lied about, their lives lied about, and their deaths and famiies grief rubbed in the dirt.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Of course I don't like them, I hate the club. But, weirdly enough, I think LFC fans should be able to go to a game, and get home safely rather than be killed by incompetent liars and then have their deaths lied about, their lives lied about, and their deaths and famiies grief rubbed in the dirt.

I know. Bad choice of metaphor on my part. I actually meant your sincere feelings about that didn't disguise your hatred of the club.

 

[Fedayn]

I know. Bad choice of metaphor on my part. I actually meant your sincere feelings about that didn't disguise your hatred of the club.

Slightly different than 'figleaf'.

 

[sleaterkinney]

He's apologised.

http://twitpic.com/837tuv/full

 

[Fedayn]

He's apologised.

http://twitpic.com/837tuv/full

If the article is correct it actually says-in the article-he apologises publically but has stopped short of apologising to Evra, the victim of his remarks.

 

[friedaweed]

He's apologised.

http://twitpic.com/837tuv/full

from the same source
http://twitpic.com/82t10z

 

[sleaterkinney]

from the same source
http://twitpic.com/82t10z

What do you mean, that story is from today's paper?

 

[sleaterkinney]

If the article is correct it actually says-in the article-he apologises publically but has stopped short of apologising to Evra, the victim of his remarks.

So he's not included in "anyone" then?.

Of course I don't like them, I hate the club.

 

[butchersapron]

What does the first paragraph say sk? Are you really going to mess even this up?

 

[friedaweed]

What do you mean, that story is from today's paper?

So it is. As you were

 

[sleaterkinney]

What does the first paragraph say sk? Are you really going to mess even this up?

I'm not asking about some Daily mail journo's take on it?.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He's still bullshitting. He was having an argument with a black man, called him 'black man', and didn't mean it in a derogatory way?

 

[sleaterkinney]

A different take on it

http://twitpic.com/837vxs/full

 

[twistedAM]

What will it be like for him when he actually returns? He's going to get a lot of shit.
Maybe time to sell him and buy Tevez. He's not racist. He hates everyone.

 

[Fedayn]

So he's not included in "anyone" then?.

If you called someone a negro, would you just issue a public apology via the press/media or would you actually apologise to the person you abused? I think and would hope you'd do the latter.

And does quoting me saying I hate LFC make your post any less stupid? I think we both know the answer to that one.

 

[sleaterkinney]

If you called someone a negro, would you just issue a public apology via the press/media or would you actually apologise to the person you abused?

The case has been in the public eye and he's issued an public apology - I don't see why you felt the need to put in the or in there.

And does quoting me saying I hate LFC make your post any less stupid? I think we both know the answer to that one.

No - it's relevant.

 

[Fedayn]

The case has been in the public eye and he's issued an public apology - I don't see why you felt the need to put in the or in there.

No - it's relevant.

You mean point out that the article says he hasn't apologised to the person he abused. I'd say that it's entirely relevant frankly. And again, if you'd some somethign like this and abused a person would you have the decency to apologise to him or just issue one via the press??

And still no less stupid.