just heard that royal mail used hundreds of students in liverpool to scab on the strikeing posties what a bunch of wankers the n.u.s should find out who they are and kick em out and the liverpool posties should find out who they are and...................... student student wankers!!!!
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Aren't you supposed to be upset when the poor are exploited?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
What with the increasing debt being imposed on students I can well believe that a lot of students would say 'solidarity or food / debt servicing' and chose food. I don't think other groups in a similar position would have chosen differently. Not to say I agree with what the students have done however.
Sadly I think that we will see a lot more of this sort of thing. Waste of time getting the NUS involved because a) they aint a proper union anyway and b) the NUS is basically a training ground for Nu Labour clones.
Sadly I think that we will see a lot more of this sort of thing. Waste of time getting the NUS involved because a) they aint a proper union anyway and b) the NUS is basically a training ground for Nu Labour clones.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Still, if there's any truth to this it'll be interesting watching the trots go into wierder and wierder confusions and intellectual short-circuits. It'll be like watching a vegan being served fried sundew.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
poster342002 said:
Good point bearing in mind the Swappies seem to gain a lot of their members from the student community.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Poster, you're mad.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
KeyboardJockey said:
I agree, it fucking sickens me that does.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Why? Keyboardjockey's comment should clarify what I was getting at.Donna Ferentes said:
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
They did, yes.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This wouldn't have happened in my day. These days too many students are ignorant of politics. I reckon this began back in the late 80's with Thatcher's desire to rid campuses of left wing activity. Thatcher identified the SU's as hotbeds of left wing activism and tried to make membership of the NUS voluntary.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
KeyboardJockey said:
Who will often change their allegiances at the drop of a hat. I saw one student at my uni change from being a Lib to Lab to Tory, all in the space of a year. Like it or not, that's student politics for you.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
nino_savatte said:
I agree. Politics has died a death at university, especially so during the time I have been here.
There were one or two relatively right on and active groups of people here when I started.
Now there is about 3-4 people that I know of, and a huge amount of 'Conservative Youth' and nu labour fuckheads. Oh and the founding branch of the UKIP youth wing.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
But ... but ... it's all BRILLIENT! and FANTASTIC! There's LOADS OF STUDENT ANGER AT NULABOUR'S POLICIES! There's A SURGE IN RADICALISM!Dillinger4 said:
Isn't there?
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
The stereotype of a student as Rick from the Young Ones is sadly about 20 years out of date.
In my experience, most of today's students are either poshos with no interest in the world around them or working class kids working their nads off in low-paid jobs while not studying and hence with no time to worry about the world around them.
In my experience, most of today's students are either poshos with no interest in the world around them or working class kids working their nads off in low-paid jobs while not studying and hence with no time to worry about the world around them.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
nino_savatte said:
I also think that the economic circumstances students find themselves in doesn't help either as I said earlier. You need to feel some sort of security to have effective solidarity which is why I haven't backed strikes at work as nobody else does due to the feeling that everybody fears management and the union is mostly useless in these situations. If you have the student loan company, landlords, utility bills etc breathing down your necks you are more likely to say 'solidarity fuck that I'm going to survive.'
Howver I would agree that there has been a shift to the right in student politics but then society as a whole has shifted to the right after the collapse of commuism and socialism.
If fascism died on campuses after six + million deaths how much more of a hit did communism / socialism take after at least 30 million deaths (thats only a average under Stalin let alone what took place in the former soviet empire). An ideology died and there was nothing to replace it but capitalism and service to the capitalist system.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
It's not so much a shift to the right as the fact that students have grown up in a society where organised labour is almost absent. It wouldn't occur to them that there's such a thing as scabbing or that they were doing it.
Very different mental universe for the young, now, than when I was a student. I didn't really understand this until I went back to college in my mid-thirties. "Thatcher's Children" doesn't necessarily mean greedy and self-centred people, but it does mean people to whom working-class politics don't mean anything because they don't exist.
Very different mental universe for the young, now, than when I was a student. I didn't really understand this until I went back to college in my mid-thirties. "Thatcher's Children" doesn't necessarily mean greedy and self-centred people, but it does mean people to whom working-class politics don't mean anything because they don't exist.
simpson_eh
Opiophile
Not everyone has their parents paying for them and to be getting about £3,000 a year if you haven't managed to find a job, this temping could put food on your table and keep you at college.
Of course if the students were pretty well off and were just getting extra money to go out drinking it's a bit different but i wouldn't give such a hard time to the really genuinely poor students.
Of course if the students were pretty well off and were just getting extra money to go out drinking it's a bit different but i wouldn't give such a hard time to the really genuinely poor students.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
That's my experience and opinion of most of them. These vacuous, decadent britbrats then "gwaduate fwom uni" and spend the rest of their extended adolescence (which last until their early 30s) prancing from one nightclub to the next and snorting coke at night whilst disciplining and firing their admin/secretarial staff during the day. Fuckers who add zero to the total sum of happiness in the country and do a lot to remove what there is.glenquagmire said:
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
poster342002 said:But ... but ... it's all BRILLIENT! and FANTASTIC! There's LOADS OF STUDENT ANGER AT NULABOUR'S POLICIES! There's A SURGE IN RADICALISM!
Isn't there?
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
simpson_eh said:
The only possible excuse for scabbing is if you don't know that you're being brought in to scab.
As they were being bussed through picket lines, there can be no defence whatsoever for this.
Scum
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Donna Ferentes said:
Yes, it's not being explicitly right wing - it's more not seeing the relavence of or ever encountering the sort of social solidairy that used to be the default postion ofr many people. It's a cultural thing really.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
That, sadly, is now true of almost the entire workforce as a whole in my experience.Donna Ferentes said:
dennisr
the acceptable face
from another thread on the subject:
These people seem to be the (or at least an) agency involved in hiring studes, according to RAOTL forums.
http://www.theworkbank.co.uk/
They claim to have a physical presence on Liverpool John Moores uni campus (the old polytechnic) so it may well be that the majority of students are from here rather than the University of Liverpool.
These people seem to be the (or at least an) agency involved in hiring studes, according to RAOTL forums.
http://www.theworkbank.co.uk/
They claim to have a physical presence on Liverpool John Moores uni campus (the old polytechnic) so it may well be that the majority of students are from here rather than the University of Liverpool.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Quite. In fact, scabbing is now the default position and isn't even seen as wrong by anybody other than a dwindling handfull.butchersapron said:
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Wasn't there a law brought in recently against using agency labour during strikes? Obviously might not apply during unofficial strikes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
glenquagmire said:
Yes, i *think* it was Morrisons who lost a court case over this a few months back. Agency workers cannot be brought into to do the same job as those striking i believe. And no, it won't apply to wildcats.
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