Strike!

[DotCommunist]

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Which is great, in principle.

In practice you have to pick your battles.

exactly! if you are without wider support and outnumbered, when do you strike? Militarily speaking? when you have 'higher ground' or similar situational advantage.

Go-slows, work to rule and so on can be effective, but striking on a day that isn't going to hurt the employer is really worthless. They'll pat you on the head like a toothless dog and continue eroding the things you sell your labour for.

these people understand nothing except profits, unless you hit the purse they will not listen. News, public opinion- thats just the weather to them.

 

[belboid]

You tell me, i'm sure you have evidence to support that.

uhh, do you recall your original post on here? About them striking at the wrong time? because it will lose them public support?

 

[Awesome Wells]

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exactly! if you are without wider support and outnumbered, when do you strike? Militarily speaking? when you have 'higher ground' or similar situational advantage.

Go-slows, work to rule and so on can be effective, but striking on a day that isn't going to hurt the employer is really worthless. They'll pat you on the head like a toothless dog and continue eroding the things you sell your labour for.

these people understand nothing except profits, unless you hit the purse they will not listen. News, public opinion- thats just the weather to them.

I'm well aware of the purpose of striking and assuming I don't is insulting. I simply do not think this is one of those times.

 

[Awesome Wells]

uhh, do you recall your original post on here? About them striking at the wrong time? because it will lose them public support?

Another strawman: you are arguing that i made a general point. I did not.

Do you not understand what the word QUOTE means?

You really are a fucking moron.

 

[chilango]

Oh go fuck yourself

Well you obviously don't like it here...

 

[butchersapron]

Nah, this has to stop doesn't it? We can't have this over and over.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm well aware of the purpose of striking and assuming I don't is insulting. I simply do not think this is one of those times.

it never is the right time. Waiting for the right time is what lands you being outsourced for zero hour contract min wage labour.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Well you obviously don't like it here...

Then show some fucking respect. What is wrong with you people? Anyone who disgares is attacked constantly, their position undermined through misrepresentation and abuse. It's fucking childish.

 

[Awesome Wells]

it never is the right time. Waiting for the right time is what lands you being outsourced for zero hour contract min wage labour.

I'm not talking abotu the right time. I'm talking about a better time.

 

[DotCommunist]

what better time is there going to be than one which will cause the employer to lose money and review the utility of your labour by seeing how much lucre he is losing? Employers when looking to save costs always but always look to labour costs first and see how they can cut you to the bone. And we put up with it because we need to keep the roof on our heads and food in our bellies. They know it's cheaper to squeeze an employee force who will voluntarily undertake personal savings, sacrifice that holiday, start shopping cheaper etc etc

There's never been a better time to strike, its all out war on every public sector role now- christ they even want to undo standardised pay models like HERA to re-introduce regional payscales! now or never. While the iron is hot.

 

[belboid]

Another strawman: you are arguing that i made a general point. I did not.

Do you not understand what the word QUOTE means?

You really are a fucking moron.

And you really dont understand what a straw man is.

Goodbye

 

[tufty79]

Just stick him on ignore FFS.

^^makes threads feel far less hateful, depressing and spittle-flecked - one of the better choices i've made this year.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Something fucking wrong with the people on this website that all they can do is attack and treat other people like shit. I thought this was meant to be a more liberal or open minded website. It's a fucking joke. Moderators that accuse people of racism without evidence and then cry foul when they are challenged, or who claim to be against bullying but allow it to go unchecked and claim that, when it's brought to their attention, they are themselves being bullied. The whole place is filled with people that cannot discuess things without resorting to playing the man and not the ball - and then abuse people for pointing that out. Its run by a sad old clique of stoners and class warriors who cannot tolerate someone who doesn't say exactly what they think they should say, even when they don't make the effort to correctly understand what someone is actually saying.

 

[Awesome Wells]

And you really dont understand what a straw man is.

Goodbye

A straw man is a form of argument that misrepresents what the person actually said to try an attack their position. It's what you have done constantly. You are nothing but a gutless coward, you give a shit about industrial action and worker's rights? Dont' make me laugh. You don't care a drop of piss for any of that, you're just a sad spiteful old cunt.

 

[butchersapron]

Why the repeated hatred of old folks like belboid? That's an odd one.

 

[chilango]

Something fucking wrong with the people on this website that all they can do is attack and treat other people like shit. I thought this was meant to be a more liberal or open minded website. It's a fucking joke. Moderators that accuse people of racism without evidence and then cry foul when they are challenged, or who claim to be against bullying but allow it to go unchecked and claim that, when it's brought to their attention, they are themselves being bullied. The whole place is filled with people that cannot discuess things without resorting to playing the man and not the ball - and then abuse people for pointing that out. Its run by a sad old clique of stoners and class warriors who cannot tolerate someone who doesn't say exactly what they think they should say, even when they don't make the effort to correctly understand what someone is actually saying.

Then why stick around?

 

[killer b]

Nah, this has to stop doesn't it? We can't have this over and over.

yeah.

 

[Awesome Wells]

The moderators can do what they like.

 

[killer b]

I'd suggest some kind of collective action. Just no one ever respond to the cunt.

 

[chilango]

I'd suggest some kind of collective action. Just no one ever respond to the cunt.

Mass ignore?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Mass ignore?

what's the point? putting half a forum on ignore is rewarding the cunts. I'm sick to death of being attacked. For a site that claims to give a damn about things like mental health, the very reason im on ESA, the moderators don't give a fuck.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

what better time is there going to be than one which will cause the employer to lose money and review the utility of your labour by seeing how much lucre he is losing?

Not sure that applies in the public sector so mucb - but the key here is that the Passport Service has been hammered repeatedly in the media over delays, has already had to draft in more staff and is quite clearly unable to tackle the mounting backlogs during peak season.

So it poses the question that if a union is in dispute with this employer over pay and jobs when else would be a better time to take action a) to ramp up the pressure on the employer and b) to use the media interest in the story to press your industrial agenda?

 

[killer b]

Mass ignore?

I've already taken that measure personally (I'm peeking today), and would urge others to enjoy the benefits: lower blood pressure, less hours lost at work to worthless argument and a little less hate in your heart.

 

[chilango]

So how does an anti-authoritarian community enforce the punishment or expulsion of an antisocial element?

 

[DotCommunist]

Not sure that applies in the public sector so much

passports are a business, the movement of citizenry is a business- they make money from this (political embarrassment aside). There is no way the issuing and surrounding labour costs therein justify the price of a passport.

 

[8ball]

So how does an anti-authoritarian community enforce the punishment or expulsion of an antisocial element?

Bit of an abstract question to chuck in.

 

[brogdale]

So how does an anti-authoritarian community enforce the punishment or expulsion of an antisocial element?

Pre-figuratively.

 

[chilango]

Bit of an abstract question to chuck in.

...or is it?

 

[butchersapron]

So how does an anti-authoritarian community enforce the punishment or expulsion of an antisocial element?

Disassociation - but has to be done collectively.

 

[8ball]

Disassociation - but has to be done collectively.

Or it's the thumbscrews...