Strike!

[butchersapron]

passports are a business, the movement of citizenry is a business- they make money from this (political embarrassment aside). There is no way the issuing and surrounding labour costs therein justify the price of a passport.

Public owned = bureaucratic pressure on those above and threat of total gridlock that will, eventually, fall on those in govt.

 

[comrade spurski]

You seem to have inferred that I dont support the cause of the PCS staff. Please provide some evidence to support that assertion, if that is what you indeed think. If it isn't, i've really no idea what you are trying to say.

take whatever inference you want...my point was and is very clear...strike action needs to be disruptive...if it didn't disrupt then no one would notice the difference so it would not be worth doing...and if any one one doesn't grasp this very simple premise they are either anti union or stupid...what is there not to understand?

 

[comrade spurski]

In what way am i non union, proudly or otherwise? How do you draw that conclusion when a simple read through of threads about strikes that i've posted in will demonstrate the complete opposite. You still don't get what a scab is, nor do you have any understanding of that which you speak. You're a just a sad prejudiced old twat.

i suspect the quote below from you is why why people conclude that you are "non union"

I've never been a member of a union. Is that relevant? If you have a point in all of this could you get to it quicker.

 

[comrade spurski]

Then answer the question. Something you people are incapable of doing. You set yourselves up to with all this working class bravado and when confronted with something as simple as a question asking you to explain what you mean or what you think you resort to ad hominem and straw man. YOu people do it all the time it's laughable. You have ridiculously inferred that I don't understand strike action, with no evidence to support this claim, and that I am against the PCS striking on the issue of passport processing, also without evidence. When questioned about this, despite my previous posts for the last year unequivocally supporting strike action, such as the teachers strikes, you, again and predictably, assume the worst. I wouldn't want a bunch of hypocrits and gutless cowards like you representing me. You're pathetic.

no one on here could as you have never been in a union

 

[comrade spurski]

This is a straw man: i didn't say the discussion was pointless. I was referring to your question. I'm perfectly happy to discuss the strike, which is why I contributed to it. You then decided to infer something unpleasant that was never there. Like the rest of the class warriors.

Doesn't matter whether i've been on strike or not. Completely irrelevant. Assuming therefore that only people who've been on strike, only members of that special club, can have a valid contribution is pathetic and arrogant.


A one day strike in this instance is a complete waste of everyone's time. The PCS are largely ineffectual and Mark Serwotka is all talk.

this was your response to the question "do you support this pcs strike?"... is that a yes or a no?

 

[killer b]

it's pointless comrade. totally pointless.

 

[comrade spurski]

fair enough...have just finished reading all the posts...should have done that before responding...what a car crash of a discussion...can't say I have ever seen someone miss the point by such a wide margin before and as for some of the abuse s/he dished out before claiming he or she that everyone else was making the mental health condition worse ... not sure what to make of all of that...

 

[Awesome Wells]

i suspect the quote below from you is why why people conclude that you are "non union"

There is no evidence to support that at all other than your own prejudice since i have never taken a position that says unions are negative in any way shape or form. If you believe this then you are prejudiced. Like the rest of the cowards you have no evidence and will only resoprt to ad homs when challenged.

 

[Awesome Wells]

fair enough...have just finished reading all the posts...should have done that before responding...what a car crash of a discussion...can't say I have ever seen someone miss the point by such a wide margin before and as for some of the abuse s/he dished out before claiming he or she that everyone else was making the mental health condition worse ... not sure what to make of all of that...

I haven't missded any point because I have never made an anti union nor anti industrial action point. I have simply said thatm, in my opinion, this strike will not be effective. If you think that justifies either of the above position then you are being deliberately prejudiced. That would be like saying I don't like London as evidence I hate the idea of cities. It is stupid and deliberately nasty.

 

[editor]

FYI: Awesome Wells has been banned for a week for sending me abusive PMs. I hovered over the 'permanent' ban option for some time before selecting the week option.

 

[brogdale]

FYI: Awesome Wells has been banned for a week for sending me abusive PMs. I hovered over the 'permanent' ban option for some time before selecting the week option.

jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

 

[seventh bullet]

Awesome Wells again...

 

[JTG]

I'll put this here: I don't know what AW's MH issue is, nor whether it affects his interesting style. I do know that it's not a reason to put up with this kind of reaction from him. Assuming he comes back, I think a mass ignore is wise

 

[William of Walworth]

I'll put this here: I don't know what AW's MH issue is, nor whether it affects his interesting style. I do know that it's not a reason to put up with this kind of reaction from him. Assuming he comes back, I think a mass ignore is wise

Not saying I wouldn't join in with this and I hope plenty of others would, but frankly, I think he's got off very lightly with just a week's ban.

When I bumped the thread this morning with a mainstream link (Guardian I think) to the news about today's strike**, I'd hoped for some good discussion. Well there's some good points (eg Dot Communist , comrade spurski , brogdale ) in response to (ahem!) some pretty wild posts from AW, but that's not the same ...

**There didn't seem to be anything on the PCS site at the time -- there's a better page now though

 

[comrade spurski]

FYI: Awesome Wells has been banned for a week for sending me abusive PMs. I hovered over the 'permanent' ban option for some time before selecting the week option.

you are a patient moderator...not sure if AW's actually understands how abusive, confrontational and unkind they come across as...but it's unpleasant so god knows how bad the abusive messages you recieved were

 

[editor]

you are a patient moderator...not sure if AW's actually understands how abusive, confrontational and unkind they come across as...but it's unpleasant so god knows how bad the abusive messages you recieved were

I don't mind people disagreeing with a mod's decision, but when my inbox starts getting really abusive messages and they carry on after being told to stop, well, that's the point where I make sure they stop.

 

[chilango]

I don't mind people disagreeing with a mod's decision, but when my inbox starts getting really abusive messages and they carry on after being told to stop, well, that's the point where I make sure they stop.

I think, for the good if all (incl . AW), a permaban would be the kindest option. Otherwise we're gonna see some some experimental cybermobjustice occurring.

 

[DotCommunist]

everyone calls AW a cunt and etc- because he can be. But he has some good things to say, albeit they are largely confined to threads on welfare right etc.

A week is fair enough- it'll only enflame his sense of injustice further tho.

 

[yield]

everyone calls AW a cunt and etc- because he can be. But he has some good things to say, albeit they are largely confined to threads on welfare right etc.

A week is fair enough- it'll only enflame his sense of injustice further tho.

Not knocking Ed's decision but Awesome Wells is dealing with mental health problems.

Some of these people, from having read my threads and posts (such as my efforts to secure an ESA claim) know that i have issues with mental health, yet they choose to continue.

My mental health ain't great because of stress at work but it does make me wonder how much people can or are willing to accept?

 

[DotCommunist]

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[JTG]

Urban, its posters and its mods do not have to bear the fall out though

 

[MooChild]

(OT) He (AW) has been a twat forever. I had an argument with him years ago about Job seeking, where he was saying it was all too hard and why should I etc etc. I remained constructive with options around Open University to enhance his prospects, and linked up pages of information where he was able to find out that he could get free tuition if he was on the dole. He resorted to calling me a cunt then, and hasn't changed since. I hope he doesn't come back, he offers nothing at all to the forum.

 

[JTG]

Oh I know that, he was like that when he still posted as wishface too.

Anyway, back to picket lines and that

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Picking up on JTG's point, PCS members in HMRC are also on strike this week (Tax Credit deadline is 31st of the month):

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/revenue_an...s-and-staffing-campaign-further-action-called

And here is how press coverage, albeit from Toynbee, and in conjunction with disruptive action can help build pressure on the employer:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...l-tax-system-cheating-billions-chase-avoiders

 

[treelover]

(OT) He (AW) has been a twat forever. I had an argument with him years ago about Job seeking, where he was saying it was all too hard and why should I etc etc. I remained constructive with options around Open University to enhance his prospects, and linked up pages of information where he was able to find out that he could get free tuition if he was on the dole. He resorted to calling me a cunt then, and hasn't changed since. I hope he doesn't come back, he offers nothing at all to the forum.

I'm sorry but I'd say its none of your business once he has rejected your advice how he deals with the utter misery of the job situation and the brutal welfare regime he faces , he shouldn't call you a 'cunt' (though that just seems to be the norm on these boards) but its clear the guy has MH issues and is under tremendous strain with his problems with living,

 

[ddraig]

and what is your excuse?

 

[MooChild]

I'm sorry but I'd say its none of your business once he has rejected your advice how he deals with the utter misery of the job situation and the brutal welfare regime he faces , he shouldn't call you a 'cunt' (though that just seems to be the norm on these boards) but its clear the guy has MH issues and is under tremendous strain with his problems with living,

I agree he has issues, and this forum does nothing to help them, as he just seems to get angry with people trying to help him. He will not even try to analyse the cause of his issues. It's not a healthy place for him to be, and he just annoys everyone when he won't listen to reason and wildly throws insults around.

 

[weepiper]

(OT) He (AW) has been a twat forever. I had an argument with him years ago about Job seeking, where he was saying it was all too hard and why should I etc etc. I remained constructive with options around Open University to enhance his prospects, and linked up pages of information where he was able to find out that he could get free tuition if he was on the dole. He resorted to calling me a cunt then, and hasn't changed since. I hope he doesn't come back, he offers nothing at all to the forum.

Wow. Reading that it makes it even more obvious how pointless it is engaging with him at all. No matter what you say it will end with him cunting everyone off and accusing everyone of bullying.

 

[brogdale]

Wow. Reading that it makes it even more obvious how pointless it is engaging with him at all. No matter what you say it will end with him cunting everyone off and accusing everyone of bullying.

tbf a developed anti-work ethic would appear to be one of his/her few redeeming features.

 

[existentialist]

I agree he has issues, and this forum does nothing to help them, as he just seems to get angry with people trying to help him. He will not even try to analyse the cause of his issues. It's not a healthy place for him to be, and he just annoys everyone when he won't listen to reason and wildly throws insults around.

And there's something about responsibility: saying he has MH problems may EXPLAIN his responses, but it is not reasonable for him to expect it to EXCUSE them. He's the one who needs to learn how to interact with others in such a way as to feel safe and comfortable. Of course, it's nice if people do cut him some slack (and I think they do), but that's their choice, not something he's entitled to demand.