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Sound Engineering Declared Grumpiest Profession In The World

I can understand how they might be pressured into doing so, but I'd be surprised at hearing any soundperson willingly making a support band sound shit because that would make them look utter shit too. And reputations can be trashed by doing so.

I could maybe see how a soundman might have to compromise under such presure and, say, reluctantly turn the volume down at the behest of their headline paymasters, but to churn out a really shit sound? I'd never do it and I'd be surprised if bees has too.
tbf this is what bees said - just that sometimes the rider dictates it has to be turned down
As a system tech I hate it when touring acts come through and insist on support bands having lower volume levels than them. It's cheating, part of the fun of being a support slot is trying to blow the main act away :D

I've even seen touring engineers/band managers fuck with the EQ of the background music before their act, so the PA magically sounds clearer when their band comes on :facepalm:
and that some people - not bees - deliberately sabotage the sound - though background music isnt so bad as another band
 
not gossip, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/fat-white-family.311443/page-2#post-12321353
i believe the Grosvenor staff. Maybe they're on their best behaviour now, but shit like that is a permanent stain on a rep. hang 'em
I spent quite a bit of time looking into that story in detail, talking to people who were there (ie noone who posted in that thread) and came to the conclusion I can still like the band and the guys in it. anyway its all in the thread if you care to read it all.
 
not gossip, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/fat-white-family.311443/page-2#post-12321353
i believe the Grosvenor staff. Maybe they're on their best behaviour now, but shit like that is a permanent stain on a rep. hang 'em
Not sure why you're dredging it up now, but perhaps you should have read the entire thread.
I'm willing to accept that Saul (ie, NOTHING to do with the band. I NEVER said it was the band) is just a twat that made a piss(ed) poor judgement of humor and/or wanted to get a reaction out of people (in which he succeeded). But "He's not really racist" is a rather pathetic excuse for being that vile. He's apparently happy to be viewed as a nasty little shit, and had been the entire time he was here. But he really pushed the boat out with that comment. And I'll leave it at that.
 
I spent quite a bit of time looking into that story in detail, talking to people who were there, and came to the conclusion I can still like the band and the guys in it. anyway its all in the thread if you care to read it all.
Can't be arsed. tallulahj 's testimony is good enough for me. Sure you can like their music. but for me, that kind of shit crosses a line, even with intoxication as an excuse. Everyone has their boundaries of acceptable/unacceptable behaviour.
 
I'd go along with that. Surprised you booked them, after reading that.
Ah, so it's a pop at me for booking them? Right. I actually prefer to go on what I actually know about a band - and what others tell me - rather then second hand reports on the internet about a drunken night somewhere.

FYI, I booked them because they helped to massively raise the profile of the gig and they helped raise over a thousand pounds for Cressingham Gardens. Is that OK with you?

I'm sure they can be arseholes from time to time, mind. Most bands are. Just like some urban posters.
 
Ah, so it's a pop at me for booking them? Right. I actually prefer to go on what I actually know about a band - and what others tell me - rather then second hand reports on the internet about a drunken night somewhere.

FYI, I booked them because they helped to massively raise the profile of the gig and they helped raise over a thousand pounds for Cressingham Gardens. Is that OK with you?

I'm sure they can be arseholes from time to time, mind. Most bands are. Just like some urban posters.
I won't have that. Saying racist and misogynistic stuff is not just being an arsehole from time to time. Some things are beyond the pale.
 
I won't have that. Saying racist and misogynistic stuff is not just being an arsehole from time to time. Some things are beyond the pale.
But you weren't there. You don't actually know what was said or the intent or the context. And it was from two years ago. So why not judge him on what you know he has actually said now?

There's a few people here who know the band and there's no shortage of press interviews to check for such views. But you're not really that bothered in finding out, are you?
 
I know a sound engineer, he doesn't seem particularly grumpy when off duty and I have never seen him working because he seems to work mostly in south London. He came into the pub the other day and regaled us with a story of how he had been working on a music setup for an evening of several bands. He said that he did all the sound checks before the gig and popped out for a cigarette.

While he was out, someone went on to the door and refused to let him back in as he didn't have a ticket. There would have been no gig if he hadn't got back in but luckily while he stood at the door arguing with the doorman he eventually caught the eye of one of the organisers who grabbed him and pulled him in saying "he's one of ours we need him." Why he didn't have some sort of ID is a mystery to me but he said he was not phased at the time and laughed about it.
 
Maybe they're so grumpy because deep down they know they're not proper engineers, just like software 'engineers'.
 
But you weren't there. You don't actually know what was said or the intent or the context. And it was from two years ago. So why not judge him on what you know he has actually said now?

There's a few people here who know the band and there's no shortage of press interviews to check for such views. But you're not really that bothered in finding out, are you?
I believe what was said by the Grosvenor staff. Enough for me. You may be willing to overlook it, but not everyone would.
 
I believe what was said by the Grosvenor staff. Enough for me. You may be willing to overlook it, but not everyone would.
you have your facts wrong. if you can't be bothered to read the thread I dont blame you but you can't then accuse anyone of "overlooking" anything.
 
well i thought this thread was meant to be light hearted, i was more pointing at ed and ringos bitching earlier, but if you cant be bothered to read the whole thing , i cant blame you for not seeing it
 
I have only met one sound engineer (I think) and he was grumpy as fuck but he always had a lot of cocaine on him and was not shy about handing it about.
 
well i thought this thread was meant to be light hearted, i was more pointing at ed and ringos bitching earlier, but if you cant be bothered to read the whole thing , i cant blame you for not seeing it
that's got me on the windup in the first place. he deserved to be taken down a peg after that shite. I'll stop now. Soz. Still...
 
Tiresome spats aide, I actually find this thread quite interesting, as it highlights to me the gulf between the parts of the job most people know about (local pub/club type gigs) and the area very few people get to see (large scale touring shows).

At the pub end of the scale, yes, if I'm perfectly honest the stereotype of the grumpy, jaded, metal loving guitarist, will be encountered more often than not. It's a fun job but the pay is pretty crap, the hours are awful and you frequently have to deal with total arseholes. For every decent bad you get to mix there will be 10 others that are terrible and think that the rock star attitude comes before talent. And yes, at this level the term "engineer" is somewhat undeserved. "Sound Technician" might be more apt. You turn up, plug in a few bits, do a mix and then pack it all away and fuck off home. What sets the good ones apart at this level is those who can drop the grumpy act and learn a few people skills. Be friendly, try and help the idiot who doesn't know how to plug in his amp and do the best you can.

But at the other end it's a different world. I'm incredibly fortunate in that Ia lot of the time I'm able to make a living working with groups of people who are the best in the word at what they do. A large scale touring show nowadays is an incredibly complex and technologically advanced affair, utilising equipment that costs hundreds of thousands of pounds and requires an incredibly high level of technical skill to design and operate. Even before you get to the audio aspects the basic rigging of a large PA system requires a lot of planning to make it safe as you're hanging several tons of gear over peoples heads. Fuck it up and people will die. For this sort of stuff the "engineer" label is fully deserved. You are living in close proximity to others for potentially months at a time in a highly pressured environment, often running on very little sleep. A grumpy, surly type won't last 5 minutes.
 
im nothing spending another 3 months on recreating a thread that is already there.
ok, so i had a look and it seems i was wrong and it was reported speech. sorry. still rather unpleasant. and then there was the queen's incident and other posters' reports of their behaviour. yuck. i hate how musicians (djs too) get away with being dicks cos they are 'artists'. fuck em. which brings us back to why sound engineers might be grumpy...
 
IME a lot of sound engineers.. have absolutely no idea how reggae is supposed
If I'm the system tech I don't give a fuck "how it's supposed to sound". I'll give you a PA with as flat a frequency response as I can that can produce a dB level appropriate to the venue. What you send me will be what comes out of the speakers. The idea that certain PA brands suit one style more than another is (IMO) bollocks.

What you hear as "good for reggae' I hear as "a big pile of old scoop bins and a shitload of awful piezo tweeters stacked together in an unholy mess" :D If you want that, go hire a PA from a reggae sound system crew. Just don't moan when a "pro" PA company gives you something better ;)


tbf this is what bees said - just that sometimes the rider dictates it has to be turned down

and that some people - not bees - deliberately sabotage the sound - though background music isnt so bad as another band
The volume thing is pretty common. I've never personally seen anyone fuck with a support bands sound directly during a set, but as I said in that quote I've seen it done with the background music/DJ beforehand to exaggerate the difference when the main bands comes on. And fucking with DJ's is fine because they're not musicians, obviously ;)

Of course, simply by taking a bit too long at soundcheck a band can fuck over a support. How deliberate some people are at this could be open to debate :D
 
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