Smiley culture update

[FridgeMagnet]

And the great and the good wonder why the public rarely seem mollified by the prospect of an IPCC investigation.

 

[Pickman's model]

I just came in to post that. Its amazing that the IPCC doesnt have the powers to interview the officers present at such a death, the police can simply refuse unless made a suspect. To refuse suggests some sort of guilt or a complete disregard for the deceaseds family imo.

it's not amazing at all. it's only to be expected and shows why the ipcc is a worthy successor to the pca.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

As far as our family are concerned, Smiley was executed.

His nephew said the above on the FB page...feel like this one is not going away.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Blimey. Nothing in the press at all though. Why is that?

 

[lighterthief]

Blimey. Nothing in the press at all though. Why is that?

Um, it's on the BBC website.

 

[8115]

I didn't realise that apparently he'd stabbed himself and *then* been put in handcuffs - I read that in the Guardian yesterday. That looks odd.

 

[stethoscope]

I think it smells a whole lot more than just 'odd', but I'm hardly surprised by the IPCC.

 

[Dan U]

if i was a copper and someone had just stabbed themselves in the heart and was collapsed on the floor, bleeding profusely, i would definitely think 'i know, i'll handcuff this person, that will help'

then refuse to speak to the iPCC about it

fucking stinks.

 

[The Old Bird]

His nephew said the above on the FB page...feel like this one is not going away.

I hope it doesn't. There have beenothers this year and one just two weeks after Smiley's death.

What I think? I think there was a struggle and a cop accidentally stabbed him.
http://duchessofhackney.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/smiley-culture-police-say-they-didnt-kill-him/

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Amazingly, nobody was to blame:

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/p...intodeathofdavidemmanuelakasmileyculture.aspx

 

[TopCat]

Quelle surprise..

 

[ska invita]

I didn't realise that apparently he'd stabbed himself and *then* been put in handcuffs - I read that in the Guardian yesterday. That looks odd.

hadnt heard that before - thats prize bullshit.

From Fozzies link:

The Coroner has already stated the inquest in to Mr Emmanuel's death will be held with a jury

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Hopefully a jury will be able to be critical on this... though sometimes jurys aren't given a remit to ask the key question, such as was he handcuffed and then stabbed. Anyone know what happens next?

 

[ddraig]

fucking stinks
hope jury trial sorts it out

 

[sojourner]

Unfuckingreal that about the coppers being 'witnesses' and not one of them a possible suspect, when you have all of those unanswered questions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

fucking stinks
hope jury trial sorts it out

Not (unfortunately) a jury trial, a jury inquest.

 

[Teaboy]

I suspect after the Tomlinson case we will see more and more deaths in police custody having a jury at the coroners. It just underlines how little faith there is (even within the justice system) in the Police investigating itself or the 'independence' of the IPCC.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Amazingly, nobody was to blame:

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/p...intodeathofdavidemmanuelakasmileyculture.aspx

Thanks Fozzie - this made me go "WTF!" several times:

Consideration was also given to whether the actions of individual officers met the threshold for misconduct under the Police (Conduct) Regulations 2008. The investigation has found there were no individual failings which, for the purposes of the Regulations, amounted to misconduct.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This will go down well...

 

[twentythreedom]

I'm sure it's standard procedure to cuff anyone immediately when raided, let alone let them go make tea unaccompanied. When I got raided, the second they were through the door they immediately cuffed me and sat me down with a copper watching my every move.

The whole thing stinks. Fuck the lot of 'em. Cunts.

 

[Flanflinger]

I hope it doesn't. There have beenothers this year and one just two weeks after Smiley's death.

What I think? I think there was a struggle and a cop accidentally stabbed him.
http://duchessofhackney.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/smiley-culture-police-say-they-didnt-kill-him/

I see you've been making a pratt of yourself on Digital Spy this afternoon.

 

[ska invita]

I'm sure it's standard procedure to cuff anyone immediately when raided, let alone let them go make tea unaccompanied. When I got raided, the second they were through the door they immediately cuffed me and sat me down with a copper watching my every move.

The whole thing stinks. Fuck the lot of 'em. Cunts.

blatantly

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

<bump> Any updates? Not quite abreast, Is there still at least some "I" PCC stuff to be dreamed up?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I think there's an ongoing case being built and possibly a private prosecution in the offing?

There was a bit of noise in the media about the cocaine angle at the back end of January:
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/..._to_Smiley_Culture_drugs_racket_found_guilty/

But I don't know if there is an actual connection between these people and Smiley, I've not had a chance to look into it.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/smiley-culture-no-drug-dealer-says-singers-nephew

A court spokesperson told The Voice the judge ended the case and released the remaining three defendants when “the prosecution offered no evidence”.

Hmmph.

 

[ska invita]

Campaign for Justice for Smiley Culture
Just got word that the officers who falsely implicated Smiley in a drugs charge have retired (KMT).... You can run but you can't hide. The Emanuel family are pleased to announce that we are preparing to sue the Met Police and certain tabloids for misinformation and slander. M.E

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The inquest begins today:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-heart-during-a-raid-on-his-home-8655008.html

 

[el-ahrairah]

The inquest begins today:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-heart-during-a-raid-on-his-home-8655008.html

i bet we'll discover that no-one was to blame and that nothing could have prevented this happening.

 

[brogdale]

i bet we'll discover that no-one was to blame and that nothing could have prevented this happening.

I'm sure you're right and the OB's version of events will be believed...but really?

Surrey Coroner Richard Travers told an inquest jury: "You will hear from Witness 2 that, when they were coming to the end of the search... Mr Emmanuel very suddenly and without warning stood up and Witness 2 realised for the first time that he, Mr Emmanuel, had a large kitchen knife in his hand.
"The officer says that he shouted out 'knife' so as to warn his colleagues, at which point, Mr Emmanuel, he says, held out his arm and screamed at Witness 2 'Do you f****** want some of this?' Or 'What about this?'
"Witness 2 will tell you that Mr Emmanuel's face and body language had completely changed, he became angry and was screaming.
"He will tell you that he, Mr Emmanuel, then held the knife with both hands and plunged it into his own chest."

 

[ddraig]

proper bastards

 

[CharlieChaplin]

The police never get found guilty when stuff like this happens.