Culturist Conference 2013

[TruXta]

Its called sarcasm Butchersapron.

It's called running away from questions whose answers might not suit your beliefs. Who are killed for arguing that the Holocaust didn't kill 6 million people? C'mon you made the claim, back it up.

 

[butchersapron]

Its called sarcasm Butchersapron.

Sarcasm is, what you posted what just teenage-patheticism. As is the one that i'm replying to right now. Stop running away, have some moral and intellectual honesty and defend your odious views.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's language, completely different argument.

Nope, it's not just language, it's culturel too, hence the difference in cultural continuances between, for example, Ireland and Wales. The Brehon laws weren't a feature of Wales, but were a massive part of Irish Celtic culture.

There are people who Native American who speak English, doesn't mean that they are English though does it.

I haven't claimed that it does.

There was never this unified culture known as the Celts, it is a fairly modern invention created by a increased interest during the Renaissance and Victorian eras.

Disingenuous. The culture may not have been named "Celt", but all the attributes given the label existed as an understood set of cultures that followed the same Indo-European path and left those attributes in various European locales where they were combined with the original cultures.

Most of the Scots are Scandinavian in origin, Edinburgh was built by the English and the Danes were also a heavy influence on Ireland too.

Wrong. The Scots are a mix. The east coast has more Scandinavian inclusions, the west coast more Irish inclusions (hence the Dalriatic kings etc), with some Scand inheritance coming from the Dane settlement of Dublin and its' environs. In amongst that is Pict, northern Saxon and other settlers.

 

[TruXta]

If we're lucky he'll be another Onanist.

 

[Binxie]

The people who seem to hate actually existing European culture the most seem to be the far-right whose hatred for the actually existing Western culture is matched only by the likes of Al-Qaeda.

The actually existing culture has been deliberately led down this particular path by people who knew full well what they were doing. Popular culture is a part of the political message.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I used it in inverted commas because its what Antifa use to justify violence on groups that are anti-immigration, and what Israel uses as a defence when anyone dares question them on the abuse of Palestine.

yes, of course you did. Nothing at all to do with attempting to undermine historical reality! Oh dear me, no!

 

[Binxie]

yes, of course you did. Nothing at all to do with attempting to undermine historical reality! Oh dear me, no!

Can you prove that historical reality?

 

[toggle]

It's called running away from questions whose answers might not suit your beliefs. Who are killed for arguing that the Holocaust didn't kill 6 million people? C'mon you made the claim, back it up.

i'm still waiting to find out who has been arguing that point as well

 

[sim667]

Woah that's a bit of a generalisation. Loads of people move abroad for work.
They don't always need to speak second languages.

Not nearly as many as move to england for work though. I could only find this chart from the BBC, it seems we dont actually have a system on tracking net immigration against net emigration...... who'd have thunk it

But according to "official" figures there's quite a lot of disparity between the two.

 

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Can you prove that historical reality?

prove that figure is inaccurate......

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do a bit of research you ignorant shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Scotland

That article doesn't state anywhere that most Scots are of Scandinavian origin. It establishes Scandinavian prevalence on the east coast and the eastern Isles.

 

[Binxie]

prove that figure is inaccurate......

Well that's the point, you can't prove it either way. But the existence of holocaust denial laws means its practically impossible to research it independently anyway.

 

[TruXta]

Well that's the point, you can't prove it either way. But the existence of holocaust denial laws means its practically impossible to research it independently anyway.

It has been proven many times over you fucking dimwit. First and foremost by the Nazis themselves.

 

[butchersapron]

Well that's the point, you can't prove it either way. But the existence of holocaust denial laws means its practically impossible to research it independently anyway.

No it does not - hundreds of serious historians have been able to write authorative works on the holocaust - Raul Hilberg, John Weiss, Yehuda Bauer, Martin Gilbert, Norman Finkelstein, Arno Mayer, Richard Evans etc and that's just the ones i can see from here. And no, it's not illegal to simply deny the holocaust anyway - if any of the people you think are overturning understandings of the holocaust were to able to argue on the same basis and sources as the aforementioned authors then they would be taken seriously.

 

[Binxie]

It has been proven many times over you fucking dimwit. First and foremost by the Nazis themselves.

Documents are easy to forge, especially when the trials are held by judges of the victors in the previous war.

 

[Binxie]

No it does not - hundreds of serious historians have been able to write authorative works on the holocaust - Raul Hilberg, John Weiss, Yehuda Bauer, Martin Gilbert, Norman Finkelstein, Arno Mayer, Richard Evans etc and that's just the ones i can see from here. And no, it's not illegal to simply deny the holocaust anyway - if any of the people you think are overturning understandings of the holocaust were to able to argue on the same basis and sources as the aforementioned authors then they would be taken seriously.

Except they wouldn't as has been shown in the past with mysterious deaths of these alternative researchers.

 

[ddraig]

Documents are easy to forge, especially when the trials are held by judges of the victors in the previous war.

holocaust denier too!?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Documents are easy to forge, especially when the trials are held by judges of the victors in the previous war.

Is this what you believe then? The Holocaust was invented by the Allies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't know, an original one that isn't 70 years old and has modernised and doesn't use emotional responses as a way of attempting to win an argument?

Six million is a perfectly acceptable quantification of known victims - that is, from pre-war censuses, church records, synagogue records, tax archives, land records etc in the various nation-states from which the victims were drawn. It's not based on emotion, but on data.
If one were being emotional, one would say "9 million" or "12 million", because the six million are a minimum that we can establish beyond reasonable doubt existed and were liquidated by the Hitler regime. The Jews, "Gypsies", Seventh-Day Adventists, homosexuals, Catholics, Protestants, disabled people etc who died either in death camps, concentration camps or in transit to them, plus those murdered by einsatzgruppen.

 

[coley]

Well that's the point, you can't prove it either way. But the existence of holocaust denial laws means its practically impossible to research it independently anyway.

Your posts are starting to smell a bit.
E2a, stink to high heaven.

 

[butchersapron]

Except they wouldn't as has been shown in the past with mysterious deaths of these alternative researchers.

I think you'd better explain who and what these mysterious holocaust truth-teller cover-up deaths are.

 

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Documents are easy to forge, especially when the trials are held by judges of the victors in the previous war.

so with the many hundreds of people who have examined documentation, either they all are complicit or none have the ability to detect a potential forgery.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why on earth are these ideological racists always so incoherent? I'm sure some of them must have worked out positions that don't rely on factual inaccuracies, wild logical leaps and plain old bullshit.

Because they don't have a consistent ideology. Their ideologies tend to be constructed around a stable core, but get covered over with various justifications, excuses and botch-ups that are added to make the ideology seem more socially-acceptable.
Basically, they don't like admitting what they are, because they know it's wrong to be what they are.

 

[butchersapron]

Your posts are starting to smell a bit.

He's gone direct from jewish plots to racism to holocaust denial today. Please tell me that you are you reading this thread backwards and just haven't read those posts yet rather than having read them and not being able to spot what they were saying?

 

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Except they wouldn't as has been shown in the past with mysterious deaths of these alternative researchers.

i'd like those names now please

 

[TruXta]

Documents are easy to forge, especially when the trials are held by judges of the victors in the previous war.

Documents are indeed easy to forge. Doesn't mean they have been. Come on then you coward, name one name of a historian who has conclusively found that documents pertaining to the number of deaths by Holocaust have been forged. One name.

 

[Firky]

You're a louse, Binxie.

Could have had an interesting discussion about British culture but you've somehow managed to infect it with holocaust denial.

 

[TruXta]

Because they don't have a consistent ideology. Their ideologies tend to be constructed around a stable core, but get covered over with various justifications, excuses and botch-ups that are added to make the ideology seem more socially-acceptable.
Basically, they don't like admitting what they are, because they know it's wrong to be what they are.

You know, I have a lot more respect (of sorts) for people who are able to straight up admit that they don't like people from other parts of the world for no good reason at all than this mealy-mouthed cowardly softlysoftly racist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I didn't say I questioned the number, did I? But there are some serious questions on the number killed, not that it lessens the severity of the crime.

I've never actually come across any serious questions as to the validity of the number, and I've read stuff by German and French rightwing scholars that have dug deep into the historical data from which the figure was originally constructed.
What questions I have seen, have tended to be questions about the existence of the death camps; about the use of zyklon B; about the logistic requirements of an industrial-scale murder machine. What I haven't seen is those questions answered on a basis of, for example, the quantity of zyklon B production being massively over-matched to any de-lousing requirement; the logistics (the German military machine kept exemplary logistics records) matching the capacity-throughput of the camps, and other inconveniences of evidence.
Instead we get fat Yanks saying that a gas chamber couldn't be a gas chamber because not enough cyanide residue had penetrated the brick and plasterwork of the chambers, ignoring the fact of forced ventilation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

so you don't really believe there's a british culture, but you're now promoting the idea of a european culture.

what is that?

Euro-fascist, innit?