Smiley culture update

[shaman75]

Just heard the meeting got interrupted by shouting from the public gallery.

Was on LBC news.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Cool. I think they are also discussing the policing of Saturday's march today? If anyone knows more about the meeting being interrupted that would be interesting.

 

[shaman75]

Cool. I think they are also discussing the policing of Saturday's march today? If anyone knows more about the meeting being interrupted that would be interesting.

there you go: http://www.google.com/hostednews/uk...GZNVB2tVIno-s1HZA?docId=N0325941301569722797A

lbc had sound from the meeting too, which was stopped and the broadcast cut.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

ES have their story too: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...orters-and-lee-jasper-break-up-met-meeting.do

 

[salem]

Interesting that Merlin Emmanuel, nephew and official family spokesman said that "We don't want to ethnicise this issue" but Lee Jasper does just that anyway.

 

[RaverDrew]

Lee Jasper always does tbf, he loves a bit of political point scoring. I appreciate that he puts in the effort and drive though, he obviously has the right contacts to raise the awareness of the campaign which is certainly a good thing. The family have to be careful though that smiley's death is not used as a platform for those with certain agendas. It could completely undermine getting to the truth of the matter.

 

[shaman75]

big piece on bbc london news just then.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

What did they say?

 

[shaman75]

What did they say?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-12921530

(video at the bottom)

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Cheers.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Links to coverage by the ES and Guardian here;

http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-17/
Plus some stuff on the campaign being mentioned at the Nas and Damien Marley gig at Wembley last night.

Thanks for that BBC link also shaman75

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Cheers for the updates Fozzie, really appreciate it.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-21/

The campaign seems to be linking up with other death in custody cases. There's a meeting in Birmingham on Friday.

Also an interview in Socialist Worker and some music bits.

 

[treelover]

'The family have to be careful though that smiley's death is not used as a platform for those with certain agendas. It could completely undermine getting to the truth of the matter. '


That is what Jasper does, he sees himself as the sole spokesman for the community,

 

[Louloubelle]

The important thing is to attempt to get across to the Met that regardless of precisely what happened in this incident, the simple fact is that they have previous form, and they need to be aware of that when investigating such incidents. Simply assuming that they can label somebody as a "wrong 'un" and then make little or no effort to make it clear that a proper and suitably open investigation has taken place simply won't wash. They've been trying it for years and that's the whole problem.

When the Met Police start showing the people of London that they hold their own officers to the standards they demand of the rest of us, and that they treat all suspicious incidents accordingly, then and only then can they start mending the divide between them and so many Londoners.

I don't hold out a lot of hope. There are some excellent police officers in the Met, but far too few who are prepared to challenge the culture of "us and them/with us or against us" that pervades most of the Met Police's approach to any suspicion of wrongdoing by its officers.

I make no assumptions about what happened. The point stands regardless of the specifics of this particular case. The Met HAS to show itself as capable of being self critical.

excellent post

 

[Louloubelle]

'The family have to be careful though that smiley's death is not used as a platform for those with certain agendas. It could completely undermine getting to the truth of the matter. '


That is what Jasper does, he sees himself as the sole spokesman for the community,

I think that people at the Friends and families campaign have an understanding of how certain careerist "spokespersons" (e.g. Lee Jasper) can try to ride on the coat tails of these kind of events and use them for their own agendas. I cannot speak for any of them personally but I have friends who lost loved ones after assaults by police in highly suspicious circumstances that were never adequately investigated and the people I know are acutely aware of the tendency of certain campaigning groups and career spokespersons to try to use the deaths of their loved ones to their own advantage.

Having said that I imagine it's a difficult line to tread between welcoming support from outsiders and also trying to keep the integrity of the campaign free from careerists.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Boris Johnson's comments: http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-24/

Beginning of a backlash against the campaign? http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-26/

 

[ericjarvis]

Boris Johnson's comments: http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-24/

I just hate it when Boris talks sense. It means I have to carefully analyse all my attitudes and ideas on the subject in order to work out whether I've got it all wrong or whether by some freak of chance Boris has actually managed to say something intelligent.

Beginning of a backlash against the campaign? http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-26/

Colin Roach's death was the one that first made me notice that there was something very sick in the way the Met Police closed ranks whenever the possibility of serious misconduct by police officers happened. Wasn't one of the police officers in Stoke Newington nick at the time involved in the fatal arrest of Cynthia Jarrett some years later? ISTR that being the word around Tottenham at the time.

 

[Crispy]

Hang on a sec. Theres a guy who some mates used to know who went by the name Brother Culture - this isn't the same person is it?

 

[editor]

Hang on a sec. Theres a guy who some mates used to know who went by the name Brother Culture - this isn't the same person is it?

No. He's alive and well and playing the Albert soon.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Beginning of a backlash against the campaign? http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2011/04/smiley-culture-rip-day-26/

It was bound to happen sooner or later but not sure it'll gain much traction just yet...

 

[Crispy]

No. He's alive and well and playing the Albert soon.

Good good Nasty moment there!

 

[tommers]

So, anybody marching on Scotland Yard on Saturday?

 

[dynamicbaddog]

So, anybody marching on Scotland Yard on Saturday?

yeah I'll be there.

assembly point - Southbank Club, 124 - 130 Wandsworth Road SW8 2DL 12 noon.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Me too!

 

[Streathamite]

'The family have to be careful though that smiley's death is not used as a platform for those with certain agendas. It could completely undermine getting to the truth of the matter. '


That is what Jasper does, he sees himself as the sole spokesman for the community,

Yes, lee really is Mr Agenda, which is why so many (me, for one) are wary of working with him. The emmanuels would be wise to be wary of him too.

 

[dynamicbaddog]

that was a good turnout

 

[Kid_Eternity]

How many people would you say attended? Ch4 news says 600, organisers appear to be claiming 2500...

 

[killer b]

the demo turnout formula would say 12-1500 in reality then.

 

[dynamicbaddog]

the demo turnout formula would say 12-1500 in reality then.

I think that could be right.
More than 600 anyway. It was really moving at the end when after the speeches they played Police Officer from the sound system and everyone was dancing and singing along.