ska invita
back on the other side
Narrow country roads (increasingly filled with road cyclists) is a separate issue to urban roads IMO
Side-by-side cycling
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Narrow country roads (increasingly filled with road cyclists) is a separate issue to urban roads IMO
maomao
普費斯
What's pissing me off at the moment is that my next commute (starting next weekend) has no reasonable safe way to cycle. It's either a 70mph A road with a broken and debris-strewn pavement/cycle path or narrow country lanes. The only safe way to do it would be in a group two abreast.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Cannot allow
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I’m willing to bet there isn’t a single cyclist here who hasn’t been put into danger by poor driving on multiple occasions.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I do that, the problem is when they’re following you trying to bite your wheels.
(the dogs can be quite badly behaved too)
maomao
普費斯
It's not about the quality of driving it's the othering of cyclist and regular repetition of lies about their behaviour that contributes to incredibly aggressive behaviour towards cyclists from drivers. A good example is lighting. It is very rare to see an adult cycling on the road at night without lights in London but if you listen to this lot cycle lights are as rare as hen's teeth. It all adds to the narrative that cyclists are always in the wrong and makes a proportion of drivers feel justified in giving cyclists verbal aggro or even physically attacking them.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I do but going slow down a slope with 9% incline is quite hard to do, I also make sure that given the lack of visibility I tinkle my bell at the blind bends.
Even going slow on the straight dogs tend to be eager to make friends with the strange wheeled object.
I walk and occasionally bike and try to maintain my awareness doing either while also making room for passers by. I’m apparently in a minority.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
It's the only way to be sure.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
if you can see them surely they don’t need it? It’s the ones you can’t see you need to worry about.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I'm a cyclist and I think it's funny!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It all contributes to a hostile antagonistic situation that I’m fed up with and can actually end up putting people in danger
maomao
普費斯
Go on, prove it. I have consciously kept an eye out for cyclists without lights while commuting on foot and I almost never see adult cyclists on the road without lights. I see children without lights and the odd rogue adult pavement cyclist, maybe the odd one here and there that gets caught out the week the clocks go back, but in my experience, in London, light use is almost universal amongst adults riding bicycles worth more than 50 pounds on the road. If it's as common as you say it is you should be able to pop out any evening this week and get photos of three cyclists, in traffic on the road, without lights. Shouldn't take more than five minutes.Ahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaha
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Meanwhile...
www.worcesternews.co.uk
Man who knocked cyclist off bike fined by magistrates
A MAN has admitted crashing into a cyclist and knocking him off his bike in a poor attempt to get around.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Anecdata from yesterday - 4 of us cycling to Clapham Junction to catch a train. Me, Mrs W, W1 (15) and W2 (13). All confident cyclists.We are 1 minute from home on the next road to ours, which is one way residential. Wide cars parked both side of the road; enough space down the middle for a car but not for a car to overtake 4 cyclists.
I am at the back; Mrs W at the front. I can hear a car behind coming up at a lick; I can tell from the way it's driving that it is impatient and wants to get past (you get a feel for this as an urban cyclist - sometimes if I'm cycling on my own and I can tell that the driver is cautious I will pull to one side, confident that s/he will come past close but slowly and safely. Not today). So I do what is ht only safe thing to do for me and the others - I plant myself bang in the middle of the road so that there is no way the driver can get past. I can feel him switching from one side to the other trying to get past. At the end of the road where we turn right he impatiently pulls in to the left of us.
Whenever I am out with my kids this happens every single time. At least once on a bike ride round 'quiet' residential streets there will be a car behind us trying to squeeze past or coming towards us too fast in the middle of the road to straddle the central speed hump so that they don't need to slow down.
Still, bloody cyclists eh?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
How? I'm telling you that over many years of driving and walking in London, I reckon around 50% of cyclists (not including Boris bikers) either have no lights at all or inadequate lighting (reflectors are not lights). I've counted them on many, many journeys with others in the car. Your suggestion that most show lights is absolutely ludicrous. You're either in an incredibly unique location or you haven't been observing properly.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
The recently imposed LTN round my way has (so far) reduced this phenomenon to zero.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yep, I’ve had exactly the same when out with my two kids.
maomao
普費斯
With a camera. How else? You live in Zone 2, take 3 photos of cyclists without lights, obviously after dark, timestamped within ten minutes of each other. Bet you twenty quid you can't. I'm happy to do the same with lit cyclists here in Zone 6 despite lower use of bicycles over all. I won't even need to bother putting a coat on.
And my original observations were mostly in Zone 2, Canning Town and Isle of Dogs. There was one bloke without a front light I saw on several occasions, even he had a back light.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Thankfully I did my last ever commute on Friday. 
On the road where that bus incident in my video occurred, I got a stupid pass on that blind bend every other day and since I always waited until the road was clear before pulling onto it, I once did a back of the envelope calculation that showed that people were maxed-out on speed even to catch up with me.
The only "bad cycling" I ever saw on that stretch of road was cyclists hugging the kerb and encouraging close passes.
On the road where that bus incident in my video occurred, I got a stupid pass on that blind bend every other day and since I always waited until the road was clear before pulling onto it, I once did a back of the envelope calculation that showed that people were maxed-out on speed even to catch up with me.
The only "bad cycling" I ever saw on that stretch of road was cyclists hugging the kerb and encouraging close passes.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
maomao
普費斯
I think you meant to quote the post above the one you did.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Ok, I'll give that a go although most of the ones I see are whilst driving so taking pictures would be a problem and I don't know if I can take time stamped photos or not. It's a bit of a silly proposition but fuck it. I know I'm right!
maomao
普費斯
Adult cyclists on the road. Because I don't want you getting in trouble taking photos of kids in the park.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this is precisely the problem
it is the not seeing them which poses a threat to pedestrians
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
(A link to the post would be slightly more useful)
Side-by-side cycling
Car drivers in this country, and possibly everywhere, are absolutely shit at overtaking stuff in general. Noone but the weird League of Gentlemen teaches it, so people either figure it out themselves, never do it, or do some horrible bodge. Cyclists just experience a milder version of the same...
www.urban75.net
back at ya
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Meanwhile...
Man who knocked cyclist off bike fined by magistrates
A MAN has admitted crashing into a cyclist and knocking him off his bike in a poor attempt to get around.
Is that Starmer?
