Men on 1970s pro-paedophile list could still work with children today

[Aaronf]

Had the misfortune to come across this earlier:

Men on 1970s pro-paedophile list could still work with children today

A small number have been identified from a 300-strong group of adults who called for legal sex with children.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think not being able to believe what I was reading actually led me to reading most of it!

I think I could have posted in a what has p!$$ed you off today thread or similar but I guess overall it's reaffirming to know others are just as shocked if that makes sense?

How on earth can people be roaming the earth who think what is in the article?? I just can't comprehend how someone could

 

[maomao]

My mum knew one of those people (as a colleague and union comrade) who is thankfully dead now. She continued to make excuses for him right up to his death. As far as I can tell, they managed to persuade quite a few people on the left (including some Labour party politicians) that the paedophile cause was part of the general sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. I have a vague memory of reading a basically pro paedophile article in the Guardian in the late 80s or early 90s. Complete shitshow and any survivors should be added to the sex offenders register.

 

[Sue]

My mum knew one of those people (as a colleague and union comrade) who is thankfully dead now. She continued to make excuses for him right up to his death. As far as I can tell, they managed to persuade quite a few people on the left (including some Labour party politicians) that the paedophile cause was part of the general sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. I have a vague memory of reading a basically pro paedophile article in the Guardian in the late 80s or early 90s. Complete shitshow and any survivors should be added to the sex offenders register.

I get the impression some of this was down to people wanting to oppose homophobia/equalise the age of consent and that PIE absolutely and cynically played on that. (I mean it's absolutely mind boggling to us how any of this could have been allowed to happen. )

The R4 programme is In Dark Corners - Series 2 - 1. The List - BBC Sounds

 

[danny la rouge]

My mum knew one of those people (as a colleague and union comrade) who is thankfully dead now. She continued to make excuses for him right up to his death. As far as I can tell, they managed to persuade quite a few people on the left (including some Labour party politicians) that the paedophile cause was part of the general sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. I have a vague memory of reading a basically pro paedophile article in the Guardian in the late 80s or early 90s. Complete shitshow and any survivors should be added to the sex offenders register.

Yup, some years ago Labour figures who had been involved in a civil liberties group that in some way supported, or at least tolerated, “PIE” had questions to answer about what support they’d given. Including Patricia Hewitt and Harriet Harman, if memory serves me. I remember them being evasive. I’m loath to do a search, though, as I’d prefer not to be dragged into the gutter by the search.

 

[Aaronf]

My mum knew one of those people (as a colleague and union comrade) who is thankfully dead now. She continued to make excuses for him right up to his death. As far as I can tell, they managed to persuade quite a few people on the left (including some Labour party politicians) that the paedophile cause was part of the general sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. I have a vague memory of reading a basically pro paedophile article in the Guardian in the late 80s or early 90s. Complete shitshow and any survivors should be added to the sex offenders register.

I agree with the last bit. I'm not sure what the motivation was by the BBC for the article or what will come of it but along with the other about the grooming gangs - so so much needs to be done about it

It's hard to comprehend like I said that this movement or whatever it is gained any traction at all in the 70's etc, it's worrying that a number will still be alive.

It's also maddening that they even bring human rights into it which I'm sure they still would if anything did happen today.

 

[Voley]

There's a line in that article about the age of consent they were campaigning for that I wish I hadn't read. Fucking horrible.

 

[Lotte]

Reminds me of NAMBLA. Horrific people. And yes, I saw that age of consent and it genuinely scares me that some people think that.

Spoiler: TW for everything

It's four.

 

[Aladdin]

Reminds me of NAMBLA. Horrific people. And yes, I saw that age of consent and it genuinely scares me that some people think that.

Spoiler: TW for everything

It's four.

Jesus that's appalling

 

[existentialist]

I think it's hard today to realise just how hard people tried up until the 1980s to pretend that child sexual abuse wasn't a thing. Even today, with the progress that has been made, we're a long, long way from having a societal mentality that facilitates prevention (eg teaching kids what inappropriate contact is, and what to do about it), and responding effectively and proportionately to disclosures when they happen.

I'd go as far as to say that a lot of the narratives around CSA still get in the way of disclosure even today. And that's before we go anywhere near treatment of offenders or potential offenders.

 

[Lotte]

I'm hoping that the grooming gangs discourse will lead to more educating children about how to look out for potential grooming, how to say no, who to talk to etc. I doubt it will though.

 

[Aaronf]

I'm hoping that the grooming gangs discourse will lead to more educating children about how to look out for potential grooming, how to say no, who to talk to etc. I doubt it will though.

Hope and pray it does in some way but sceptical anything will change. Shame we can't wipe them all and the problem out forever.

 

[kenny g]

The film Chicken hawk is an eye opener, especially for featuring Allen Ginsberg as a supporter of NAMBLA.

 

[existentialist]

I'm hoping that the grooming gangs discourse will lead to more educating children about how to look out for potential grooming, how to say no, who to talk to etc. I doubt it will though.

Given how long ago the original cases were, it doesn't look like much has been done. Remember, the narrative at the time was that these were "bad girls" and thus probably complicit in the abuse. And that attitude prevailed in social services, the police, and pretty much everyone involved in the so-called care of these children.

 

[Lotte]

Oh, I know, I had a colleague say that. 'Vulnerable is just a word used by the CPS, they knew what they were doing.'

 

[CNT36]

I'm hoping that the grooming gangs discourse will lead to more educating children about how to look out for potential grooming, how to say no, who to talk to etc. I doubt it will though.

There are at least some people I encounter who blame sex education for encouraging young people. Perhaps in some cases it plays into a lack of willingness to listen to the young people abused.

 

[Lotte]

If anything, sex education is even more important than ever. Keeping kids ignorant is dangerous.

 

[editor]

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