Ship porn
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Correct, but I read earlier in a online report in the Wall Street Journal, that it is common practice for new Suez Waterway pilots to be trained and certified from using a canal simulator program. They obviously need some seamanship qualifications, but it seems a bit ridiculous to me that they aren’t trained by experienced pilots on the job.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
because Tugs can go with whatever is being moved, there is much greater degree of directional control ( a winch is a fixed point)
and finally, you need an f...ing strong anchor points and foundations for a winch and the motor would also need a lot of HP ...
The Baraka has 4 engines, each rated at just under 4,000 HP.
the four lookalike tugs are probably from the "Salam" class - 2 engines rated 2,500 HP each ...
That's a lot of horsepower ...
weltweit
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Yes, possibly the worst scenario for the canal and East West trade might be if it just broke and sank right there.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The winches would only be to get it un-wedged from the shoreline. They wouldn't need to pull it very far, just with enormous force.
The HP of the tugs is no good if it's all going into moving the water in the canal rather than the ship.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The canal is connected to the sea at each end.
weltweit
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Yes, but it has locks.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
There's two options to lighten the ship.
Unload the containers, for which they'll need the lading plan and somewhere to put them. Ever seen the amount of hard that a container port takes up ?
and the means to get them off - Chinooks (or similar) or a floating crane.
Alternatively they could remove bunker oil and water ballast.
The drawback is that the tanks are low down, and emptying them will reduce the ship's stability, unless some of the top hamper is also removed.
the SCA do have lightering tenders that could do this.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Nope, no locks - it is fully tidal but the height difference for sea level is minimal. I suspect the only hassle would be the time difference for high tide between the Red Sea and the Med. The lack of locks does make the canal vulnerable to tsunamis.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No it doesn’t.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh, ok, live and learn, thanks for that.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
It's pretty unlikely, but they will be careful before they start moving ballast water around of taking cargo off.
It's pretty simple Archimedes, you can calculate the draught it was floating at before the accident knowing the cargo weight, fuel etc. You measure the draught carefully after the grounding. It is probably a bit less now, so the difference in displacement between the 2 draughts must be the vertical force applied by the bottom of the canal.
If the side of the canal has piles to stabilise the canal bank, or rocks or something, there could be some penetration into the hull that stops it just slipping out the way it went in. A few hundred tonnes of vertical reaction really wouldn't be noticed by the ship.
I am sure Smit will be putting divers into the flooded void space and bow thruster room to assess this. Smit also have two big tugs (200t+ pulling capacity) arriving on the 28th, and Smit have probably got their chain pullers on a plane on the way there, all of which will allow them to apply much larger forces than the local tugs can (60-80t). The chain pullers can be set up attached to land anchors and could pull in directions where there is not space for a tug to work.
Then there is the option of taking the cargo off. Using the back of an envelope calculation it's probably about 200t of cargo to be removed to reduce the draught by 1 cm. It takes for ever with a helicopter; APL PANAMA ran up on a beach in Ensenada in Mexico a few years ago and the helicopters out of Oregon really were not very effective. (Evergreen helicopters are not related to the shipping line)
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Jokes aside now, this is potentially bad. 
I did not know they transported livestock long distances by sea. Thought it was mostly processed and/or frozen.
www.theguardian.com
I did not know they transported livestock long distances by sea. Thought it was mostly processed and/or frozen.
At least 20 livestock ships caught in Suez canal logjam
Concerns for animals’ welfare if Ever Given blockage crisis is protracted
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
The bollard pull for the large tug "Baraka" is claimed to be c160 tons. [SCA webpage] and the "Salam"s are much smaller (I guess at 40 ?)
The bank the bow bulb pranged had a layer of rock armour to reduce damage from wakes (even at 8 kts there will be some wash)
And the lighter containers should be on top ...
Someone has got their work cut out for a few days !
The bank the bow bulb pranged had a layer of rock armour to reduce damage from wakes (even at 8 kts there will be some wash)
And the lighter containers should be on top ...
Someone has got their work cut out for a few days !
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
It's pretty common...folk in the Middle East like to buy meat they can see being butchered in traditional butchers shops and prefer to pay more for meat that's been transported live, despite it being lower quality. A livestock carrier captain told me that it wasn't really a halal thing. I'm sure the owners of the ships/cows (and a lot of owners are very vertically integrated buying 500kg cattle by the truck load from farmers and taking them to market, owning abattoirs and the whole thing) will be looking for alternative markets as unhappy cows lose weight and value pretty quickly.Jokes aside now, this is potentially bad.
I did not know they transported livestock long distances by sea. Thought it was mostly processed and/or frozen.
At least 20 livestock ships caught in Suez canal logjam
Concerns for animals’ welfare if Ever Given blockage crisis is protracted
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
something like that...I came to 180t assuming 1.01 specific gravity of canal water, but I suspect it's close to seawater at 1.025.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Jokes aside now, this is potentially bad.
I did not know they transported livestock long distances by sea. Thought it was mostly processed and/or frozen.
At least 20 livestock ships caught in Suez canal logjam
Concerns for animals’ welfare if Ever Given blockage crisis is protracted
Very worrying !
I wish that bulk, long-distance livestock transport was banned. Dreadful conditions are, unfortunately, common.
[IMO, the only movements allowed should be specially licenced breeding stock, everything else processed/frozen]
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
They could fill the canal with mercury to float the ship - that should work. They'd need to build damns to contain the metal of course, but certainly doable.
T & P
|-o-| (-o-) |-o-|
The thing is, there’s been plenty of speculation about possible causes, but if it doesn’t turn out to be a mechanical failure and is solely due to human error, it looks to me like monumental negligence rather than a run of the mill fuck-up.
In an artificial slow moving channel of water that in its roughest day will still manage laughably small waves or undercurrents next to the conditions in the open ocean sailors encounter every day, high winds alone shouldn’t be that much of a challenge to an even poorly trained pilot.
If I were a betting man and human error was the cause, I’d be waging on the pilots fucking off for an extended fag and leaving the bridge unattended.
Anyway, surely ships of that size must have automatic pilot navigation? GPS-based technology that overcomes winds or undercurrents and keeps a ship (or aircraft) true has been around for decades ffs.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Your design is far to tight for supertankers to navigate.
A shipping recovery bod on the radio said there are spring tides this weekend which might help.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Jokes aside now, this is potentially bad.
I did not know they transported livestock long distances by sea. Thought it was mostly processed and/or frozen.
At least 20 livestock ships caught in Suez canal logjam
Concerns for animals’ welfare if Ever Given blockage crisis is protracted
Certainly they used to bring sheep to the ME from Australia - no idea if they still do. They were huge ships, like a block of flats just rammed with sheep, all stinking of sweat and piss.
You could smell them about 3 miles away...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
This is why I love Urban. However esoteric the subject there is always someone who actually knows about it!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
This really is shaping up to be something of an unprecedented maritime catastrophe.They detonate beached whales and (whilst they probably won't have to blow up the Evergiven) I do wonder whether they might actually have to saw the bloody thing up as the Russians did with the Kursk.Might be a good idea if in future they suggest that ships one quarter of a mile long or more take the scenic route.
