bcuster
Well-Known Member
iconic photo of a US cold war defeat
Cold War Aviation Porn
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steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Awesome. Though if the war in Ukraine has proven one thing for certain, CAS as a human-flown, fixed-wing aircraft is dead.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
88 PPSH-41 submachine guns in the bomb bay of a Soviet Tu-2 bomber. Known as the "Hedgehog", it was to fly over formations of enemies and unleash all 88 PPSH-41s simultaneously. This system had a theoretical rate of fire of 79,000 rounds per minute.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It's a derail, but...
Although I kind if think that this is correct (I'm not actually a fan of the A-10, I take the view that in an age where pretty much every munition is guided it's benefits are tiny margins, and it's drawbacks are enormous...) I think we should be wary of taking a truth from the Ukraine war and transposing it onto every other.
In this case, both Ukraine and Russia are fielding battlefield interdiction aircraft (and others) that have limited sensors, and absolutely shit defensive systems like jamming gear, radar warning receivers, laser detectors, and chaff from the 1940's. In those circumstances, even the world's worst SAM's and radar guided guns are going to have a field day.
Those circumstances simply don't fit with western aircraft and systems, not least because our doctrine (and capability) would start with heavy SEAD, and using munitions like Brimstone to go for the gun tracks from well outside their range.
That's not to say that NATO CAS could swoop about like it did over the Helmand Valley, but that we should be wary of implementing lessons that apply to a much lesser extent to us.
Stockpiles matter, logistics matter, resilience matters, regeneration matters, the Deep Battle matters - these are lessons that the west has happily ignored since 1914 at every opportunity it got, and they've trumpeted themselves yet again in Ukraine - but for the air power lesson for me is that while NATO could fight a CAS war, it would be much better off using every scrap of it's airpower in the Deep Battle, and leaving close support to the artillery.
Always fight your wars in other people's countries - because wars in your own create so much devastation that even if you win, you might as well have lost, and always ensure that if he does turn up in yours, half his kit is already in flames and he's got no diesel left.
T & P
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Don’t give Ryanair ideas…
2hats
Dust.
For want of a better thread... This particular porn proved to be a flaccid flop.
In attendance, Sebastian Fox, who clearly failed to fluff.
FT: UK nuclear missile test fails for second time in eight years.
In attendance, Sebastian Fox, who clearly failed to fluff.
I remember as a kid always going to Cornwall Aero Park near Helston which was basically loads of old jets, helicopters etc from back in the day. You could even sit in some of them. They had the front section of a Shackleton which was very popular as you could sit there and flick all the switches and stuff... before they eventually covered them all up with clear plastic. I guess health and safety wasn't a big thing back in the early 80s. My favourite was the Sea Vixen which, sadly, you weren't allowed to sit in. The park eventually morphed into something called Flambards with loads of rides etc and most of the aircraft disappeared sadly. I think it got most of them originally from RNAS Culdrose which was a mile or so down the road. We used to go to the annual air day there. Always remember a Buccaneer coming from nowhere on a low flypast over the top of the crowd catching everyone by surprise. One of those 'Jeeesus!!!' followed by nervous laughs all round moments.
Cornwall Aero Park (Flambards)
The Cornwall Aero Park opened in 1976 and went on to become The Flambards Experience. The following shots were taken circa 1984. All the featured aircraft have been removed from the site with just...
www.airshowspast.com
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
The last years of Yugoslavia, it seems, saw an attempt to build a Yugoslav fighter bomber with help from Dassault and BaE:
theaviationgeekclub.com
The ‘Novi Avion:’ The Yugoslav Air Force domestic supersonic multirole fighter-bomber that never was (conceptually designed with help Dassault-Breguet and British Aerospace)
The story of the ‘Novi Avion:’ The Yugoslav Air Force domestic supersonic multirole fighter-bomber that never was
theaviationgeekclub.com
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The last years of Yugoslavia, it seems, saw an attempt to build a Yugoslav fighter bomber with help from Dassault and BaE:
The ‘Novi Avion:’ The Yugoslav Air Force domestic supersonic multirole fighter-bomber that never was (conceptually designed with help Dassault-Breguet and British Aerospace)
The story of the ‘Novi Avion:’ The Yugoslav Air Force domestic supersonic multirole fighter-bomber that never was
Remarkable similarity with the EFA, which eventually became Eurofighter/Typhoon and Rafale - be interesting to see whether the Yugoslavs were seen as a potential partner in EFA, or if this was a smaller, simpler, cheaper version that might get export orders that Eurofighter/Rafale was too rich to get the nod for ...
petee
no gods, no malarkey
"Goodnight"
i remember, and it wasn't so long ago, when TV stations signed off overnight and many would finish with some patriotic thing. the station i seemed to be watching most often finished with the Air Force Hymn, not this video iirc but similar to it.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
I definitely remember that
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
BAE P106 was the single engined Eurofighter proposal which got short shrift from senior brass as being insufficiently expensive and complicated.
BAE lied fluently and maintained they could still make an export success of the twin engine EFA as it would be 50% cheaper than the imminent F/A-18. It actually turned out to be 3x more expensive.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
doesn’t look like it but I forget which one it actually is.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Thanks, spitfire - turns out Blue Streak was from the same "missile family":
armaghplanet.com
Blue Streak: the UK’s Cold War rocket – Astronotes
armaghplanet.com
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Those F-4s belong to the "Fighting Cocks" of No.43 who were based at Leuchars, so it's Scotland - Forth Bridge, looking east.
Greenery indicates midsummer as does the slate grey sky.
