Sheridan abandons hope for the SSP and tries to form new party

[Fisher_Gate]

Who? Colin Fox? Well he was invited to address the anti war demo last saturday too. But the SSP found a far more important issue in the interest of class struggle and international <sic> solidarity for him to attend here <this story was originally dated 23rd september btw>-
http://icwestlothian.icnetwork.co.u...der-flys-to-homeless-world-cup-name_page.html

Fuckin' tragic

Remind us how many anti-war events Galloway was able to attend and speak at when he was in the Big Brother house earlier this year? At least Fox was supporting an issue relevant to his constituents.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Monoghan played a totally treacherous role on the SSP list throughout the discussions around the Sheridan case at one time pretending to be non aligned at others putting pro Sheridan arguements under the pretence of playing 'devils advocate', whilst at the same time advising Sheridan on media tactics.

Sounds like just the credentials for a senior position in Solidarity

 

[Fullyplumped]

I'd previously referred to the similarity of the SSP/Tommyista spat to the split in the Free Church of Scotland. The similarities are increasing.

The Glasgow MSP has been threatened with legal action by ex-comrades in the Scottish Socialist Party over a disputed rent bill, while he in return has threatened the SSP with court action over loan payments.

Mr Sheridan, who set up the Solidarity party earlier this month after splitting with the SSP, has been given seven days to pay £2203 for his Glasgow constituency office. The deadline is today.

A letter from the SSP solicitors warned him that if the payment was not made "action will be taken with a view to recovery".

In theory, Mr Sheridan could be sequestrated, or made bankrupt, over the debt and be forced to quit the Scottish Parliament. However, he denies he owes the money, as he has been locked out of the office, which is inside the SSP's headquarters at Stanley Street in Glasgow, since July and has no intention of returning.

The row has wrecked any prospect of the "amicable divorce" the MSP was seeking from his old party. Indeed, after receiving the rent demand, Mr Sheridan and three supporters demanded the SSP return £57,698 given in loans and donations by October 3 – enough to bankrupt the party.​

Is he really locked out of the office? I'm sure they'd let him in to use the copier, although he might need to bring in his own coffee and probably would need to write his name on the milk carton in the fridge now.

 

[sevenstars]

For the SSP the war and occupation of Iraq was obviously....

Well obviously not

http://www.scottishsocialistvoice.net/pages/page12.html

SSV also had a front page article against the war on the day of the march.

 

[tollbar]

Sounds like just the credentials for a senior position in Solidarity

It certainly was in his case.

 

[tollbar]

its been seen before. This one hasn't -
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9780

But it does show the difference between the two organisations. Solidarity are on the march with 50,000 or so people calling for Bliar to go and for troops out of Iraq. The SSP are so befuddled by scottish independence that they can't even make it across the border to add their voices <and rely on the massed rank of the ISG to flog their paper for them>

Funny how the SWP manage to avoid mentioning their hero Sheridans declerations of support for a scottish socialist republic in virtually every interview he does, or is he also 'befuddled by scottish independence'.

 

[osterberg]

Funny how the SWP manage to avoid mentioning their hero Sheridans declerations of support for a scottish socialist republic in virtually every interview he does, or is he also 'befuddled by scottish independence'.

Did he mention it at the demonstration? Genuine question . Didn't hear his speech and I'm not denying that Sheridan supports independence.

I'm actually glad that members of the SSP made it to Manchester and demonstrated against the British state's imperialist wars . Wars which affect Scotland as much as Wales , England and the north of Ireland .
For example,all those places provide troops.

 

[sevenstars]

The SSP has consistently oppossed the British State and its wars.

 

[osterberg]

Good for them!
But I was asking what Sheridan said.

 

[tollbar]

Did he mention it at the demonstration? Genuine question . Didn't hear his speech and I'm not denying that Sheridan supports independence.

I'm actually glad that members of the SSP made it to Manchester and demonstrated against the British state's imperialist wars . Wars which affect Scotland as much as Wales , England and the north of Ireland .
For example,all those places provide troops.

If you read Sheridans recent press interviews he has consistantly placed an independent scottish socialist republic very high on his agenda. Additionally, a leading member of the scottish republican socialist movement (and one who is still a member of the SSP incidentally) was invited to address Sheridans Cardonald branch of the Solidarity Movement. The attempts by the SWP to paint Sheridan as representitive of some 'internationalist' opposition to the SSPs alleged obsession with scottish independence are a very lame attempt to reduce what is a rather complex issue to something very simplistic.

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

Is he really locked out of the office?

No, but then Sheridan isnt one for letting the truth get in the way of a good legal action.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Is he really locked out of the office? I'm sure they'd let him in to use the copier, although he might need to bring in his own coffee and probably would need to write his name on the milk carton in the fridge now.

The legal threats by the SSP are, I suspect a sign of financial desperation. There's no way even vengefulness would cause them to try to bring Sheridan to court over this otherwise. It just looks too bad to be worth it. And if the reports that the SSP EC had changed the locks on their offices to keep out Sheridan's side of the organisation are accurate the chances of winning probably aren't too hot.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

People nick your milk anyway even if you have written your name on the carton.

 

[mutley]

You can watch Sheridans speech:



Don't know if its the whole thing. You can watch everyones elses as well.. endless hours of armchair virtual demo attendance!!

 

[JimPage]

Who? Colin Fox? Well he was invited to address the anti war demo last saturday too. But the SSP found a far more important issue in the interest of class struggle and international <sic> solidarity for him to attend here <this story was originally dated 23rd september btw>-
Fuckin' tragic :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] ...hich acheived, in political terms, bugger all

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Those in London may be interested in this meeting:

Scottish Socialist Party Public Meeting
Hosted by Socialist Resistance

SPEAKER: Frances Curran MSP, and other SSP speakers to be announced.
Friday 27 October, 7.30pm, University of London Union, Malet St, WC1
___________________________________________________________________________________

After the Sheridan split, the fight for socialism in Scotland

What are the facts behind one of the most damaging splits the left has suffered for many years? And after the split, what are the prospects for the Scottish Socialist Party, one of the most promising developments for socialism in Europe for many years?

Socialist Resistance defended the unity and perspectives of the SSP before, during and after the Sheridan affair. We believe it still has much better prospects than its Sheridan-SWP rival and is based on a correct perspective of founding a united, militant socialist party.


__________________________________________________________

UPCOMING: The Politics of “The Wind that Shakes the Barley”. Monday 30th October 7.30pm. (Venue to be announced).
To coincide with the film’s release on DVD, this Socialist Resistance forum with Paul Laverty, scriptwriter of the movie, is an opportunity to discuss the politics of permanent revolution in Ireland.
__________________________________________________________

Socialist Resistance, PO Box 1109 London N4 2UU www.socialistresistance.net

 

[nwnm]

Jim he didn't campaign in Scotland - he fucked off on a jolly to South Africa. And when he says this in the papers one day -

'Mr Fox will travel to Manchester with more than 500 others from the Lothians.
He said: "I will be calling for the British troops to be brought home. In recent polls 97 per cent of Iraqis said they wanted to see them go and in both the UK and US a majority also want their withdrawal."'
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1403132006

and fucks off to watch the foootie the next you have to question his erm..... integrity

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Jim he didn't campaign in Scotland - he fucked off on a jolly to South Africa. And when he says this in the papers one day -

'Mr Fox will travel to Manchester with more than 500 others from the Lothians.
He said: "I will be calling for the British troops to be brought home. In recent polls 97 per cent of Iraqis said they wanted to see them go and in both the UK and US a majority also want their withdrawal."'
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1403132006

and fucks off to watch the foootie the next you have to question his erm..... integrity

Amazing hypocrisy - you don't hear that about Galloway and Celebrity Big Brother.

 

[mutley]

Amazing hypocrisy - you don't hear that about Galloway and Celebrity Big Brother.

Surely the point of nwnm's post is that it sounds like Fox was a bit Foxy about the truth i.e. said he was going on the demo, then went elsewhere.

Say what you like about GG, (and I agree with John Rees when he said that going on BB 'trivialised and demeaned' the whole Respect project) at least GG didn't issue press releases saying he was going somewhere else.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Surely the point of nwnm's post is that it sounds like Fox was a bit Foxy about the truth i.e. said he was going on the demo, then went elsewhere.

Say what you like about GG, (and I agree with John Rees when he said that going on BB 'trivialised and demeaned' the whole Respect project) at least GG didn't issue press releases saying he was going somewhere else.

When did Rees ever say that about BB in public? It certainly wasn't the position of Respect - the SWP manouevered to make sure that the only thing published by Respect was Galloway's justification for going on it.

I don't have a problem with one person in an organisation being sent as a representative to an event that clashes with another. It happens all the time. The South African event was about a campaign on homelessness, something that is high up the scottish political agenda, and I presume there were scots constituents there that the SSP wanted to support. It's noticeable the range of activity the SSP is involved with is very wide. One problem about Respect is that it is seen by many as being associated solely with the war and while it is the most important political issue, it is obviously not going away in a hurry and there are other important issues that both Respect and the SSP have to campaign around. Sometimes the SWP sound like that Monty Python record where the needle gets deliberately stuck in a groove with endless repetition (probably a bad metaphor as most people on here are probably too young to remember what a record was ...).

 

[darren redparty]

notw returns to fray
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

 

[greenman]

notw returns to fray
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

If this is true, and the story has legs, and the video appears, it is the end of Sheridan.
Cue SWP and CWI uniting to knife him and seize the new Solidarity Party.
And when that is done they can get down to the serious business.....of fighting each other

 

[JHE]

Oh dear... the Sherdanites are going to have to take advice from the conspiracy nut fraternity. Faked video... CIA... reactionary pixies...

 

[mutley]

When did Rees ever say that about BB in public? It certainly wasn't the position of Respect - the SWP manouevered to make sure that the only thing published by Respect was Galloway's justification for going on it.

I don't have a problem with one person in an organisation being sent as a representative to an event that clashes with another. It happens all the time. The South African event was about a campaign on homelessness, something that is high up the scottish political agenda, and I presume there were scots constituents there that the SSP wanted to support. It's noticeable the range of activity the SSP is involved with is very wide. One problem about Respect is that it is seen by many as being associated solely with the war and while it is the most important political issue, it is obviously not going away in a hurry and there are other important issues that both Respect and the SSP have to campaign around. Sometimes the SWP sound like that Monty Python record where the needle gets deliberately stuck in a groove with endless repetition (probably a bad metaphor as most people on here are probably too young to remember what a record was ...).

He said this: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=8071

however I would concede that it is a softer formulation than the one I quoted, which was what he said in a conference speech.

But the point that nwnm was making, which I repeated and you ignored, is that Fox SAID he was going to Manchester, then went elsewhere instead. He told a little porky.

And Respect is involved in plenty of stuff apart from the war, as you well know, eg the stuff about east london council housing that has been put up on the respect website just recently.

Sounds to me like you're so pissed off over Scotland that you are throwing the positions that you've previously defended in England out of the window. A dubious method surely?

 

[mutley]

If this is true, and the story has legs, and the video appears, it is the end of Sheridan.
Cue SWP and CWI uniting to knife him and seize the new Solidarity Party.
And when that is done they can get down to the serious business.....of fighting each other

So if it is true why a transcript and not the video? I mean I'm sure that everything on it, if it's real, is absolutely clear and audible.

After all you wouldn't get Rupert Murdoch's papers lying about the left would you?

 

[sevenstars]

You certainly wouldnt get George McNeillage lying about the left. People like him and Keith Balderessa where the very heart at Sheridan's activist base in working class Pollok, they've been his friends and comrades for 20 years.

Without a real base like this anywhere, groups like the SWP think its just the 'celebrity brand name' of Sheridan that gets votes, they've no idea what its built on. They dont care whether he's lying or not, they just want to use him for their own sectarian advantage. What a terrible way for socialists to behave.

By the way the attempts to rubbish Colin Fox here are getting a bit desperate. Basically he encouraged people to attend one important political event while attending another one himself. Anyone involved in more than single issue politics would recognise this dillemma.

 

[Philbc03]

It's a tape, not a video. You can listen to sections of it courtesy of their website.

 

[JoePolitix]

It's a tape, not a video. You can listen to sections of it courtesy of their website.

Where?

Edit: I've just noticed it and started listening but on my computer it kept cutting out and is virtually inaudable

 

[BarryB]

So if it is true why a transcript and not the video? I mean I'm sure that everything on it, if it's real, is absolutely clear and audible.

After all you wouldn't get Rupert Murdoch's papers lying about the left would you?

If its not true I presume that Sheridan will soon be threatening legal action.

BarryB

 

[BarryB]

Apparently Sheridan has put out a statement ending with "I intend making no further comment on this pathetic pack of lies". So no legal action is threatened. To me this is suggestive that the tape has not been falsified.

BarryB