Scots indy results thread
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm sure something will come out of this constitutionally, but it's hard to say what till the dust settles. However now the vote has been won Cameron has no great incentive to please Scottish voters, particularly as he has only 1 MP in Scotland (and not many MSPs to lose in 2016). It's a mess really, Miliband might end up being the one putting all this into practice, but has his ultimate battle with the SNP to factor in. Cameron ain't got fuck all in Scotland but has to worry about his backbenchers and, most of all, what Farage will do with any promises he makes.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nothing honourable about stepping down now. He can step down if he wants, but the next year is really important for the SNP. Potentially it is the period in which the powers of a Scottish parliament are set for the next generation.
Or not - they might get nothing substantial. But either way, he won't be there fighting for it. It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit really, he's just in it for himself...
Drunk, or just relieved?
I doubt the late No voting ex-switherers will be that bothered right now, tbh.
That's not actually quite correct. While the Tories only won one seat in 2010, their share of the vote at 16.7% was only 2.2% behind that of the second-placed Lib Dems and 3.2% behind the third-placed SNP. Their lack of MPs is an artefact of the FPTP system we have. As with the Tories in the 1980s, Labour benefitted a lot from the opposition splitting the vote. If you look at the electoral results, the Tories came second or a close third in a lot of places.
Of course it is. As the leader, he's taking full responsibility, as is fit and proper.
He's also clearing the way for his replacement before the General Election next year, of course.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Balls. He's abdicating before the really hard stuff, and distancing himself from any failure to deliver more meaningful devolution. Negotiate the new deal, then stand down. That would be an honourable thing to do.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, I know that, but I was responding to a post about what Cameron will or won't do between now and May 2015. Whilst he now has to offer something - and some sort of vaguely something/nothing for the rest of the UK - his short term thinking will be more concerned with there being only 1 Tory Mp in Scotland (and not much chance of increasing that).
Cameron's a cunt. He's already passed the buck to Hague. Who's conveniently leaving and so won't actually do anything.
newbie
undisambiguated
Scottish voters are collateral- Cameron wants to finess Labour. He's proposing Scottish MPs shouldn't vote on English matters: so if the predictions are correct and after next May there's a Lab majority of 30, propped up by 40 ScotLab MPs, then a Labour government has a majority on UK-wide issues but is in the minority on England only matters.
Cameron has much to gain.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
Im glad of the result. Im neither a Unionist or a Monarchist but my head always said keep things as they are but make change from within. It will cause a seismic shake up in the way people view politics now, maybe. Maybe im just rambling. It would have too much hassle to split everything up. I am just rambling.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
As long as you're not naked, then that shouldn't be a problem caller.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
Well not yet i amnt but the night is still young.
Doubt it unless the party boots him
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/bc147fac-1003-11e4-80b1-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3DoDxCTxC
Here you go
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
20 odd years ago i was a fervent Nationalist & would have done anything to see my country gain independence but my opinion, like my feelings towards the England football team, have softened over the years. I just didnt see what benefit would have been gained from independence. I salute all those who spoke articulately & heartfelt about it danny la rouge weepiper especially, forgive me if i have missed anyone out My feelings & opinion may well have been different if i still lived in Scotland.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
From the tone of this post it seems that you think Salmond is the only member of the SNP capable of leading the negotiations, which is a bit of a slap in the face to the many other SNP members who could make a decent fist of it. Who's to say that he won't form part of the negotiating team anyway, just not with the additional responsibilities of first minister? I'd imagine that the proposals put forward from the Westminster side will be laced with all sorts of tricks and traps. It would be easier to focus on the details of the negotiations without the obligations of the first minister job potentially getting in the way.
Then again, maybe he has just chucked his dolly out the pram and they're all now fucked in the upcoming negotiations...
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
He's kind of unlucky in that an outlier poll put YES ahead and others mis-stated YES's support by an extra 3-4 percentage points.
This meant the result was more seen as a disappointment.
And may have helped him feel he had to quit.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
It's also not impossible that it was the decision of his wife who, at 76 to his 59, might have said something like: 'Enough of the politics for now - we are not going to live for ever.'
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Great post. More of this.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
heard a Scottish No voter on radio yday saying, in very non triumphalist tone, that he felt good about contributing to the stopping of an inbuilt Tory majority in England for the next 40 years....
Was good to be reminded of the fundamentally decent intentions of so many No's....
But then he's probably just helped ensure Scotland will swap between the Tories and near identical New Lab for the forseeable future.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
He also swore that he wouldn't step down if he lost the referendum. So he shows himself to be just as much of a lying cunt as the rest of them when things don't go his way. (Though I think he's always come off as being from the nastier side of politics)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I have no opinion either way about his competence or importance to his party. I was merely commenting on the honourability of resigning at such a moment.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I don't blame him. He must be knackered from two years of campaigning. He has done all he can & there won't be another referendum in his political career.
newbie
undisambiguated
I'm sure you've never changed your mind about your own intentions. Or is it only politicians you expect to be hostage to everything they ever said sometime in the past, despite changed circumstances?
And, of course, you don't know if the great and the good in the SNP handed him a loaded revolver.
Salmond can devote his retirement to fighting British nationalism
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
anyone got any info on SDL/EDL eejits rucknig in glasgow?
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