Savile being used as a wedge issue to attack BBC independence

[Pickman's model]

Heh Hiding in plain sight, it's a theme.

you've been at the purloined letter again

 

[Frances Lengel]

I know it's potentially true.

I don't however think that FL's stories are true.

Then you're wrong. Boys came to people's doors - daft twat mandy didn't see through them - daft twat mandy did some days.

 

[cesare]

you've been at the purloined letter again

There are some advantages to capital.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are some advantages to capital.

capital's not as entertaining as the narrative of arthur gordon pym though. or the masque of the red death.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are some advantages to capital.

no there's something lacan

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ben Fellows. That guy who was in Eastenders and has a BAFTA.

http://beforeitsnews.com/media/2012...s-child-abusers-says-ben-fellows-2447320.html

 

[cesare]

no there's something lacan

With a soupçon of crime and punishment

 

[Citizen66]

http://beforeitsnews.com/media/2012...s-child-abusers-says-ben-fellows-2447320.html

Yes. We had a discussion (can't remember which thread) on his supposed glittering acting career that is somehow omitted from his IMDB page. And his YouTube channel is fruitloopery. Not saying that has any bearing on his allegations but tread carefully. Seems a self publicist/fantasist.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Then you're wrong. Boys came to people's doors - daft twat mandy didn't see through them - daft twat mandy did some days.

And let's have it right, that lady was thick as shit - More or less fuckin bovine if truth be told, but the goodness in her heart gave me a roof over my head when nowhere else did. And she did time (not much time, but time nonetheless), - All due to a no tv licence charge.

I'm no liar - That happened.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm no liar - That happened.

I'm a bit perplexed as to why you've been accused of lying, tbh. Not sure what you'd actually have to gain about being dishonest about something like that. Like you say that and then the BBC will fold because of it.

The fact remains that if you don't pay the license you can be heavily fined. If you don't pay the fine (now not in the hands of the BBC) you can be imprisoned. Why is it a lie if someone knows someone that it happened to?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yes. We had a discussion (can't remember which thread) on his supposed glittering acting career that is somehow omitted from his IMDB page. And his YouTube channel is fruitloopery. Not saying that has any bearing on his allegations but tread carefully. Seems a self publicist/fantasist.

He would have to be to lie about this. Time will tell I suppose.

 

[Citizen66]

He would have to be to lie about this. Time will tell I suppose.

It's rather unseemly that we investigated him, but the original report named him and listed attributes and then I googled to see exactly who he was because he was apparently some sort of celebrity. And he isn't. and then someone else found his YouTube account which was Icketastic.

Perhaps his reports on this are true. But he hasn't done himself or Savile's other victims many favours by stapling this to made up stuff like the BAFTA that he says he has which he doesn't.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If you can't pay the fine you often get a custodial.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Did not the original reithian values of Educate, Inform, Entertain show some leaning?

They might have done if those values hadn't been laden with the assumptions of Reith and his class.

 

[barney_pig]

i have the bbc news feed on my phone, as well as the sky news one. the bbc one has been running all of its stories covering savile from the angle of the damage to the bbc, and the responsibility of individual bbc executives over the newsnight programme. Nothing at all about the victims of the crimes or there nature or what else may have been going on. what maters to the bbc is the protection of the bbc.

 

[butchersapron]

No one sells meat in pubs any more - Well they do. What's a tracksuit ginnel though? Am asking you, I wouldn't mind an answer to that.

An impression that people want to give off that they run down ginnels in tracksuits.

 

[butchersapron]

The BBC are great:

Shapps warned in writing by BBC ahead of Question Time: 'No pressure was applied to drop this [Newsnight] investigation. None.'

 

[emanymton]

You can't be imprisoned for not having a TV licence.

Excluding motoring offences, default on television licence fines accounted for the largest single number of female fine defaulter receptions. There were more women imprisoned for fine default concerning television licence offences than there were for offences relating to theft and handling (16.2%), prostitution (5.6%), fraud and forgery (4.2%), violence against the person (3.9%), burglary and robbery (1.5%), or drunkenness (1.8%).

From here

 

[Lord Camomile]

Probably walking head first into a slaughterhouse, but isn't the TV licence like road tax or any other tax - everyone who uses a service contributes to the pot that pays for the infrastructure, etc of that service?

 

[treelover]

As usual the cartoonists sum up the situation in such incisive ways...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

would have been funnier if it had been a BBc exec holding Savile - it's all a massive own goal the Tories etc are just taking advantage.

 

[_angel_]

Probably walking head first into a slaughterhouse, but isn't the TV licence like road tax or any other tax - everyone who uses a service contributes to the pot that pays for the infrastructure, etc of that service?

It's best alikened to the poll tax in as that there's a flat rate for everyone, regardless of income.
Actually it's worse, because there's no exemption or benefit for anyone at all (unless you're over 80 or something).

 

[teqniq]

Just seen this tweet, says it all really.

MissEllieMae
Hush women, the Sky men and the Daily Mail men want to use the paedophile man to get at the BBC men. So depressing. #Savile

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, that is a pretty disgusting attempt to sideline genuine criticisms of one of the ideological props of the state by placing them in the category of right-wing or motivated by competing interests rather then coherent critiques of how the BBC operates and why (and by extension, other institutional elements of the power structure).

 

[teqniq]

Well I liked it and I am no big fan of the BBC either and well aware that their much-vaunted independence is largely illusory. Maybe you read a little more into it than is intended.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe she said a little more than she realised?

 

[teqniq]

lol I dunno, maybe she did.

 

[Garek]

Just seen this tweet, says it all really.

Her other good tweet,

You know you live in a patriarchy when a sexual abuse scandal becomes a battle over power structures with no mention of the victims. #Savile

 

[elbows]

Timing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-20079460

The father of a BBC journalist who apparently killed himself has called for an inquiry into how his complaints about alleged harassment were handled.
Russell Joslin, 50, a reporter for BBC Coventry and Warwickshire, died in hospital on Monday.
His father Peter said his son, who had mental health problems over the past six months, should have received more help from BBC managers.

Peter Joslin, a former chief constable of Warwickshire Police, said he did "not blame the BBC but management did not save him".
He said the allegations surrounded complaints his son made about sexual harassment by a female former colleague.
'Plenty of opportunities'
Peter Joslin said there had been "plenty of opportunities" for managers at the BBC to intervene after his son complained, but "nothing had been done to help him".
He said the alleged sexual harassment took place five years ago and since then his son had asked to move to a different job, which he had been told he was unable to do.

 

[shagnasty]

Yes, that is a pretty disgusting attempt to sideline genuine criticisms of one of the ideological props of the state by placing them in the category of right-wing or motivated by competing interests rather then coherent critiques of how the BBC operates and why (and by extension, other institutional elements of the power structure).

I agree it goes no where to answer the points made by many on this forum