existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I don't want him to "fuck off and die". I want him to die right here. Where I can watch. And point. And laugh. And maybe jump up and down a bit.
Save up so you can be sick
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That's why they're getting rid of all the "green crap". They're going to power the nation with the revolving bodies of dead 20th century politicians with social consciences.
Lurdan
old wave
Well not quite that but there is a Parliamentary briefing paper which sets out the background and the arguments for and against merging NI and income tax.
National Insurance Contributions: an introduction
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
What utter cunts. 
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It was only the PTS scheme that was abolished. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/spmmanual/spm10910.htm
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I love the way they describe a 54 page document as "a note"
They probably already have!
Yep. The Overton Window.
What utter cunts.
Succinct as always old bean!
At this rate he'll propel the earth direcly into the sun like one of those wind up toy cars you used to get
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
See also: national minimum wage being repositioned as the living wage.
Giving these people credit cards is like giving ... oh i haven't even the energy to think up a witty analogy, the man's jsut a piece of shit. Pumping his arms in the air at the budget, laughing during the foodbank debate before slinking off no doubt to cane that credit card at the bar wher ehe will be served by people paid fuck all whose taxes will pay off that credit card. The whole thing is such a brazen and straightforward scam.
It can't take much more to spark a revolt surely?
I don't want my welfare to depend on the whim of some private company. What if you choose (and by choose I mean have no choice, like all government schemes you will have whatever they give you depending on a postcode lottery) a 'provider' who then goes tits up, or who doesn't have enough subscribers to fund the thing? Under TTIP they could charge extoortionate interests and threaten to sue the government if it ever dared to limit its usury.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Shower. of. cunts.
Have barely worked a day in their lives, and increasingly gutting us like fish and destroying any sort of support structures that exist. They are scum, utter fucking scum.
Have barely worked a day in their lives, and increasingly gutting us like fish and destroying any sort of support structures that exist. They are scum, utter fucking scum.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Obviously the Welfare State needs to prevent people from starving. But it needs to do so much more. What does it need to do? What should its constitution be? When welfare is under attack from all fronts I can't help thinking it needs a stronger philosophical basis from the base up. And also one that commands broad social acceptance and is somehow neutral between socialism and benevolent capitalism. The Welfare State grew incrementally and it is being chipped away incrementally. It needs some kind of strong deep base.
And all the toppings. No anchovies though ta
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That base could actually be self-interest.
Employees who are stressed because they daren't take time off sick, or can't get their health problems adequately treated, aren't the best employees.
Employees who feel powerless, have no sense of agency or choice, or are only there because they can't afford to take the risk of trying to find a better job...are those the people that businesses want talking to their customers, making their business decisions, or manufacturing their products?
Employees who ARE sick, but cannot afford to take time off in case they're fired - or just not paid - and come into work, potentially infecting the rest of the workforce, not to mention functioning significantly below par, and probably staying sicker for longer - that's not in the longer-term interests of any responsible business.
And employees who have been forced to work for a company as part of a workfare scheme, resentful, angry, bitter and frustrated because what they really wanted to do was to have the chance to find a job more appropriate to their skills but which they were not allowed to do on pain of losing all their benefits...does any sensible business really think that they're better off having people like that operating their systems, talking to their customers, or looking after their assets?
This is all short-sightedness of the first water. What a responsible business really needs is happy, motivated employees who feel valued and that their contribution counts for something. People aren't boxes of paperclips or numbers on a spreadsheet - they're real live beings, and pretty much every business needs them at some point in the process.
A welfare state gives people what they need: healthcare that works and helps keep them well and fit to work; a benefits system that means people don't have to live day-to-day in fear that illness or unemployment will immediately plunge them into a whirlpool of debt and misery that they will struggle to escape; and, perhaps most importantly, a safety net to protect employees from the behaviour of abusive or exploitative employers.
I think that most businesses would recognise that to be the case. I think that the businesses we hear most from/about in connection with government policy are not representative of business in general - they are the bloated plutocrats for whom this neo-liberal hegemony has been set up and is being pushed forward, the short-sighted businesses who see staff as just another resource, just another profit centre, and just as disposable as any other bit of inanimate hardware.
The kind of businesses, in short, that are out for what they can get, and are happy to take it and cast it away when it no longer serves their purposes.
The kind of businesses which need to be named and shamed, so that when times change, and it's businesses that are crying out for particular skills, are the ones whom people remember as the betrayers when the boot was on the other foot.
I hope that day comes soon. Meanwhile, I hope they get exactly what's coming to them today - sick employees who make mistakes and spread their bugs, angry employees who sabotage their systems, stressed and distressed employees whose state of mind makes them unpredictable and unreliable. And I hope they pay the price for their greed - today AND into the future.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
So... the US system?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
So 'name and shame' speeds the extinction of the cruel and selfish dinosaur capitalists, but it would also be good if there could be some kind of 'name and praise' of companies who signed up to a 'Welfare Charter' which supported good practice in supporting good Welfare State practices.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Lolz at bleating about NI, it's just general taxation, fuck all to do with sick pay, health or pensions, except as a tool to beat (mostly women) with to fuck their pensions.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm not quite sure I see your point?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
IMO - Tories are attacking "society" on several fronts :- the nhs, workers rights, the vulnerable (old, young, less abled ...) and the housing, legal and education systems.
They are attempting to turn "society" into one in which only those who can pay receive what they want.
The rest of us will have to do without, or accept a minimal provision.
They are attempting to turn "society" into one in which only those who can pay receive what they want.
The rest of us will have to do without, or accept a minimal provision.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Is that a genuine question?
The idea from the OP is suggesting individual saving accounts to pay for illness and the like whereas we already have an NHS free at the point of use and funded by general taxation, a public service I think the nation would be mad to undermine.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, it was a genuine question.
The point you were making seemed so blindingly obvious, I couldn't believe there wasn't some other meaning to it that I had failed to divine...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I was just trying to be concise !!.. The point you were making seemed so blindingly obvious, I couldn't believe there wasn't some other meaning to it that I had failed to divine...
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