Save Gordon Grove Adventure Playground

[CH1]

No what I'm advocating for is more in line with what Singapore has - where housing is high density and affordable to regular Singaporeans. Granted there's a lot about that city that I don't like, but on housing policy they have nailed the balance.

Tory's are actually very much aligned with you actually - none of them want anything built anywhere near the places that they live either. Of course the ad hominem attacks come out when the nimbys are called out on their selfishness.

The older generation, even the lefty ones, invariably oppose things that would lower their property values or affect their views (even whilst talking about how its a damn shame housing has gotten so expensive).

Public housing in Singapore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

“But what about Singapore?” Lessons from the best public housing program in the world

Also available in: Mongolian | Chinese As we approach the 9th World Urban Forum in Kuala Lumpur next week, one of the essential challenges in implementing the New Urban Agenda that governments are struggling with is the provision at scale of high quality affordable housing, a key part of ...

blogs.worldbank.org

How Singapore Got Public Housing Right - Affordable Housing Action

So how come public housing is such a perennial loser, reviled and disparaged by political parties of all stripes in some of the world’s more advanced nations? Its demise has been eulogized by world class think tanks that woefully explain why public housing is a poor way to create shelter for...

affordablehousingaction.org

Are you one of those Singaporeans, reported to be subsidised public housing tenants (in Singapore), and who buy flats in London to rent out as an investment?
We are given to understand that such investors are will only invest in flats - which is biasing what developers will produce - as much of the finance is raised "off plan" by their prospective buyers.

BTW lashing out at "nimbys" is also ad hominem

I would go on - but as Gramsci points out this thread is dedicated to the Grove Adventure Playground.

 

[nonya]

If you have no particular thoughts on this playground why are you on this thread?

I've pointed out that there is extra housing in the pipeline for Loughborough junction area.

No I don't oppose every new housing development.

Your posting imo based on no local knowledge of this area and what it needs.

Are you really saying a successful well attended adventure playground that serves the needs of the local community should be closed and turned into housing?

So where are local children going to get play space?

I think you should look at the Local Plan for Lambeth.

Planning guidelines state the importance of Grove APG and Youth centre for the area.

You keep insinuating that posters here are nimbys.

Yet you appear to know little of this area or planning guidelines.

I was reading about the happenings in the local area and responded to someone who said "Why ruin two good projects in order to shoehorn in yet more crappy undersized flats - affordable or otherwise?" when my literal dream is to be able to afford one of those "crappy undersized flats".

If you think young people wouldn't take an affordable "crappy undersized flat" in a heartbeat, you have no understanding of how my generation has been screwed over. You talk about where the kids will play, what about the right of my kid to have a place to live?

Rent controls would apply to all private rented housing in an area. So don't see how its a lottery. Or how others get screwed.

Rent control doesn't work. It privileges existing renters and punishes new renters.

I quote

"A recent paper examining rent control in San Francisco found that, when strict rent control was implemented in 1994, existing renters saved $2.9 billion on rent in the following sixteen years. However, renters who moved to San Francisco after rent controls were introduced paid an extra $2.9 billion in rent over the same period – exactly the same as existing tenants saved.

This shows how rent control doesn’t help all renters, but only a few. Tenants who are lucky enough to already live in housing that suits their needs benefit greatly from rent control. But those who will want to move for more space, young people who want their own place in the city, and migrants moving to London for the first time all lose out as landlords look to recoup their losses through new tenants, as they did in San Francisco."

Self Control: Why London must resist the temptation to introduce rent control - Centre for Cities

The private rented sector needs reform, but history, and economics tell us that rent controls do not work

www.centreforcities.org

Rent control is one of those nice sounding solutions that unfortunately doesn't work - its merely a wealth transfer from younger generations to old generations. At the end of the day, if there are only 5 houses and 10 people who want to live in them, it doesn't matter how much you control rent, 5 people are going to be screwed. You need to build 5 new houses so those 5 people who are left out have a place to live.

Are you one of those Singaporeans, reported to be subsidised public housing tenants (in Singapore), and who buy flats in London to rent out as an investment?
We are given to understand that such investors are will only invest in flats - which is biasing what developers will produce - as much of the finance is raised "off plan" by their prospective buyers.

BTW lashing out at "nimbys" is also ad hominem

I would go on - but as Gramsci points out this thread is dedicated to the Grove Adventure Playground.

I am not "one of those Singaporeans", but it sounds like you think there something wrong with being Singaporean..?

I don't own, I rent, and it costs me an arm and a leg.

I do support some kind of absurdly high tax on foreign investors buying property as well as second homes.

Lashing out at NIMBYs for the harm they cause is not an ad hominem, there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate the very real harm they have done.

Besides, you would only be insulted if you see yourself as a NIMBY - someone who inevitably says "NO NO NO" to the building of new housing. Does that describe you?

I will leave this thread now to argue with you all in the other one.

 

[CH1]

nonya I am not insulted by being called a nimby. In fact I am not a nimby - if by this you mean "Not In My Back Yard"
Actually I don't think you know what a NIMBY is. You are simply seeking to introduce a perverse form of culture wars into the issue.

You have had a final go (you say) - take this from me China has at least 65 million empty homes — enough to house the population of France. It offers a glimpse into the country's massive housing-market problem.

A most intriguing article which demonstrates that even Communist China is failing its population by building enormous concrete cities - many of which stand empty whilst their builders are going bust.

Hope you don't have shares in Evergrande!

I guess you will be spending all the hours God sends in the next council election rubbishing the Green Party?

 

[nonya]

nonya I am not insulted by being called a nimby. In fact I am not a nimby - if by this you mean "Not In My Back Yard"
Actually I don't think you know what a NIMBY is. You are simply seeking to introduce a perverse form of culture wars into the issue.

You have had a final go (you say) - take this from me China has at least 65 million empty homes — enough to house the population of France. It offers a glimpse into the country's massive housing-market problem.

A most intriguing article which demonstrates that even Communist China is failing its population by building enormous concrete cities - many of which stand empty whilst their builders are going bust.

Hope you don't have shares in Evergrande!

I guess you will be spending all the hours God sends in the next council election rubbishing the Green Party?

I don't own shares at all, what a strange non sequitur.

I will refrain from commenting on the China stuff you mentioned because I promised to stop going on in this thread in favor of the other.

But since you directly asked me a question, I'm a two issue voter, my first priority is climate change, my second priority is housing abundance. So we'll see who convinces me based on those two issues. It's up for grabs, since there is no single party that represents my views. I am open to being convinced.

 

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I moved away couple of years ago but walked past the other day and it looks brilliant, beautiful and well loved.
So little good news around it’s easy to feel disempowered and hopeless but this is a rare exception, something that was supposed to be doomed but is thriving.
Biggest respect to everyone whose been working hard to keeping it going, this pic just made me so happy.