krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
You lived there. So did many people over the years. Irish, Portugese, Caribbean etc.
Presumably, you live somewhere else now. People are nomadic/transient over the years. Isn't it a bit ironic, seeing as you left Brixton?
Brixton Playground scheme proposes permanent pedestrianisation of central Brixton
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You lived there. So did many people over the years. Irish, Portugese, Caribbean etc.
Presumably, you live somewhere else now. People are nomadic/transient over the years. Isn't it a bit ironic, seeing as you left Brixton?
That estate - Clifford Drive opposites Guinness Trust is where my family live.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I was relaying my experiences not carrying out a survey.
Also i'm not super comfortable saying personal stuff online (well not anymore) but yes my parents were in brixton before I was born.
For primary I went to school fairly locally. It's was just off a road mentioned in this thread. Secondary I was a bit further away but not that far.
I still live in the same house I did back in 1981. (I have only ever lived in brixton)
Also i'm not super comfortable saying personal stuff online (well not anymore) but yes my parents were in brixton before I was born.
For primary I went to school fairly locally. It's was just off a road mentioned in this thread. Secondary I was a bit further away but not that far.
I still live in the same house I did back in 1981. (I have only ever lived in brixton)
The irony is that people I.e. bloggers like yourselves lay claim to Brixton like you own it! I grew up there when it was a shit hole, through the riots and the rest. I know it inside out but would not end up in a totally different part of the country and pretend to know the place like the back of my hand - let alone past judgement via a blog. I have moved out regrettably as I can’t afford it, however it Feels like home. If you can actually say to me now you grew up in Brixton, I will gladly shut up. The point is that, please do not pretend you are more in a position than me to have an influence in Brixton politics considering that you have probably been round here maximum of 7 years?
I don’t want to be rude! I’m just a bit bitter!
I love Brixton so much. I hate that I’ve had to move! I’m protective because it holds so many memories for me
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
A bit of digging and you will find that this website with it's brixton centric nature has been here a fair bit more that 7 years.
It doesn't pre-date all gentrification but it does predate the turbocharged gentrification of more recent times.
It doesn't pre-date all gentrification but it does predate the turbocharged gentrification of more recent times.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I'm not a blogger. And I have zero influence on anybody's political views anywhere.
If you left Brixton and miss it, fair enough but no need to threaten others.
You’re right. I’m on the offensive. I miss Brixton but the one thing is - I went to Corpus Christi Primary School. Bought trainers from Frank Johnson’s. Bought a remote control car from the shop before it was McDonalds. Went down the escalators in Bon Marche. Bought a pick an mix in Woolworths. Eat in Wimpy and had a Jacket potato in Jackets. If you can tell me where Kwik Save was - I’ll give you a chance
I’m not threatening by the way. I feel threatened by the proposals you want to introduce
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Kwik Save?
Probably on my non-existent blog.
Probably on my non-existent blog.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I don't remember the kwik save but I do miss Jackets.
Wimpy's too but to a lesser extent. There was something deeply satisfying about a jackets. beans cheese and a sausage.
Wimpy's too but to a lesser extent. There was something deeply satisfying about a jackets. beans cheese and a sausage.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
actually I just found this video which is so 80's i don't mid that it shows what primary school i went to
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Remind me - is this Brixton Playground project a scheme which has been through the board and they are promoting officially, or is it aspirational loose talk and hot air from Ellie Foster and Michael Smith?.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
If anyone was taught at primary school by a Miss Starling...she's my ex girlfriend.
David Clapson
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
It looks to me this would have gone through the board.
As Ive said before part of remit for Brixton BID is improving the local environment.
Producng plans to do this is in line with the way the BID was set up.
They have had funding to produce plans to "green" Brixton.
Brixton BID Green Infrastructure Audit - Brixton BID
Leading consultancy firm LUC has produced a Green Infrastructure Audit with a list of potential opportunities to increase the amount of greening for the BID area.
www.brixtonbid.co.uk
My issue, getting away from personalities who run BID, is that the BID idea does mean that residents voice comes second.
Changes to public realm should imo come under the Council. Not be subcontracted out to a business organisation.
Some of these Green ideas might be good ones. But it should be done through the Council if it is on publicly owned urban space.
Another problem with BID is it is not subject to FOI reqests unlike Lambeth Council. So even though Brixton BID work covers the public realm residents cant use FOI to find out info.
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hiraethified
You see, I totally get the anger if someone has been priced out of their own neighbourhood by gentrification. That fucking sucks. But when that person starts violently threatening random members of the community who have lived there for getting on three decades and tells them to "fuck off back to their own country," it all goes a bit National Front.
The real irony is that Brixton is pretty much defined by outsiders moving in and contributing - and has been for a very long time. Are all those people supposed to fuck off back to their own countries too?
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hiraethified
Apparently, if this scheme went ahead it would screw over the music bars in Coldharbour Lane. The maximum volume clubs can create is partly defined by the ambient noise of the area (e.g. traffic noise outside). If you take away all the traffic, the clubs are going to have to drop their sound levels too.It looks to me this would have gone through the board.
As Ive said before part of remit for Brixton BID is improving the local environment.
Producng plans to do this is in line with the way the BID was set up.
They have had funding to produce plans to "green" Brixton.
Brixton BID Green Infrastructure Audit - Brixton BID
Leading consultancy firm LUC has produced a Green Infrastructure Audit with a list of potential opportunities to increase the amount of greening for the BID area.
My issue, getting awy from personalities who run BID, is that the BID idea does mean that residents voice comes second.
Changes to public realm should imo come under the Council. Not be subcontracted out to a business organisation.
Some of these Green ideas might be good ones. But it should be done through the Council if it is on publicly owned urban space.
Another problem with BID is it is not subject to FOI reqests unlike Lambeth Council. So even though Brixton BID work covers the public realm residents cant use FOI to find out info.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Here are photos of the Soho scheme ( last Friday early evening). Soho is different from Brixton as none of the streets closed are used by buses.
The streets around Old Compton street are closed off from 5.30 pm. So that is difference from Brixton Playground.
Loads of cops around when I was there. Think this is as its new.
I dont know how this works out late at night.
The tables were all people eating- they were from restarents serving on the street. No loud amplified music.
Bars on street looked fairly full to me. They had queues so were limiting numbers allowed in to drink.
The way its being done is eating on the street but not drinking unless with meal. From what I saw.
So its a compromise.
You can still leave your motorbike on show in Frith street. So that hasn't changed. Nice bike.
This scheme does not seem unreasonable to me. But will see how it goes.
The streets around Old Compton street are closed off from 5.30 pm. So that is difference from Brixton Playground.
Loads of cops around when I was there. Think this is as its new.
I dont know how this works out late at night.
The tables were all people eating- they were from restarents serving on the street. No loud amplified music.
Bars on street looked fairly full to me. They had queues so were limiting numbers allowed in to drink.
The way its being done is eating on the street but not drinking unless with meal. From what I saw.
So its a compromise.
You can still leave your motorbike on show in Frith street. So that hasn't changed. Nice bike.
This scheme does not seem unreasonable to me. But will see how it goes.
Thanks for sharing your view, I realise that because I am a huge supporter of pedestrianisation I tend not to see the big picture and consider some of the side effects. I guess I rarely hang out late so haven't seen that happen
what about low traffic instead of closing off the road completely,then? Still being access by blue badge holders, P5 and emergency services but that's it. Emergency services would actually go quicker with almost no traffic in fron of them? Would also avoid privatisation of the space while improving quality of life for local residents
David Clapson
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I don't think that would meet the demands of the bar owners. You'd have faster ambulances colliding with bigger crowds of drunks.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sadly i think privatisation of the space is a major aim of this project
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There's nothing to say that it would be impossible to pedestrianise it entirely - the problem with what Brixton BID have put out there is that it doesn't acknowledge the fact that careful thought would have to go into the practicalities of bus routes and things like emergency access. There might well be a perfectly feasible way of ensuring that emergency services can still get from east to west, and that bus routes can still function, that involves a fully pedestrianised CHL. Or maybe it would see CHL and Atlantic Rd each made one way with one traffic lane, maybe for buses only. Who knows. It would need some careful planning by people who knew what they were doing.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I know this makes me spectacularly slow on the update, but Brixton is moving quite rapidly towards becoming a stags and hens horror show like Temple Bar in Dublin or Bourbon Street in New Orleans, isn’t it? It took the word “playground” to make the penny drop...
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This was the original plan for Atlantic road. Buse/ cycles only. Which I support.
Brixton playground is about the bar owners wanting the street space.
The two schemes are different.
Brixton BID have gone quiet about the original plan. Which was being discussed before the pandemic.
I can understand why the bar / restaurant owners want the street space. Some of them won't survive if they have to do social distancing in their premises for the conceivable future. This is what the Brixton Playground scheme is really about. Its not about saving the planet.
David Clapson
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That bit of CHL is effectively an arterial route. Impossible to pedestrianise it without building a new railway crossing and/or making a new main road by developing Saltoun Road or Shakespeare Road or Popes Road.
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