Save Gordon Grove Adventure Playground
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Gramsci
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I'm getting a bit concerned that despite the Leaders letter promising to get officers to finish the masterplan and gaurentee the land the APG is on for Youth provision nothing is progressing.
There are promises of meeting with Regen and planning so all sides can "lay their cards on the table"
Looks like the LJ Masterplan will not be finished.
At recent meeting it was pointed out that this was not the fault of the local community in LJ. Who took part , in good faith, the council run consultations on the masterplan.
The reason the masterplan was not finished was because once local community argued about the adventure playground Regen officers decided to stop any more work on masterplan as they weren't getting what they wanted.
It was pointed out this is not the fault of the local community.
More meetings are upcoming.
If LJ Masterplan is not finished the alternative is to get gaurentee for future of the Grove APG / MLYC site in the revised Local Plan. Which is up for revision in next few months.
Will see how that goes.
There are promises of meeting with Regen and planning so all sides can "lay their cards on the table"
Looks like the LJ Masterplan will not be finished.
At recent meeting it was pointed out that this was not the fault of the local community in LJ. Who took part , in good faith, the council run consultations on the masterplan.
The reason the masterplan was not finished was because once local community argued about the adventure playground Regen officers decided to stop any more work on masterplan as they weren't getting what they wanted.
It was pointed out this is not the fault of the local community.
More meetings are upcoming.
If LJ Masterplan is not finished the alternative is to get gaurentee for future of the Grove APG / MLYC site in the revised Local Plan. Which is up for revision in next few months.
Will see how that goes.
Gramsci
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I do maintenance etc at Grove , the backroom stuff, and complaining to Council about lack of long term future for the land the adventure playground is on. So only seen them a few time myself.
They have been coming to Grove APG and doing some good stuff with the children.
I do maintenance etc at Grove , the backroom stuff, and complaining to Council about lack of long term future for the land the adventure playground is on. So only seen them a few time myself.
They have been coming to Grove APG and doing some good stuff with the children.
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Gramsci
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The summer scheme at the Grove was a great success. More children this year. Did put a bit of a strain on the workers and volunteers who ran the Monday to Friday summer holiday scheme. Up to 70 children a day.
Shows the need for an APG in Loughborough Junction. That has the support of the Council. Rather than having to lobby all the time as well as trying to keep place going with no financial help from Council.
Still having "discussions" with senior officers about making sure that in the revised Local Plan- the planning document for Lambeth- that this land is for Youth provision.
Despite support from Leader I don't feel officers are falling over themselves to support this. That is planning and Regen.
The zoning of the one for Youth provision in the Local Plan would help protect it in the future .
Shows the need for an APG in Loughborough Junction. That has the support of the Council. Rather than having to lobby all the time as well as trying to keep place going with no financial help from Council.
Still having "discussions" with senior officers about making sure that in the revised Local Plan- the planning document for Lambeth- that this land is for Youth provision.
Despite support from Leader I don't feel officers are falling over themselves to support this. That is planning and Regen.
The zoning of the one for Youth provision in the Local Plan would help protect it in the future .
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Park update
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Grove Adventure Playground – news from the children’s space near Loughborough Junction, Sept 2020
The rather wonderful Grove Adventure Playground in Gordon Grove, SE5, has issued an update, which looks at what they’ve managed to achieve in the last year and talks about the challenges of s…
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Very well put - I used your words here if that's OK.
South London’s Grove Adventure Playground featured in government propaganda video
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critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
bimble
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Watch it again! It’s one of the two local places in the film. You’ll recognise it : )
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Can someone verify this? Is Grove featured at all?
Both Grove Adventure Playground and Max Roach Adventure Playground were featured in the Food & Fun film. The programme was incredibly worthwhile and reached many children and their families in our shared community.
The effort made by Marcus Rashford to help force yet another u-turn from Johnson's inept government is amazing, but even so the new money that is being fronted by the Government is still far too little and there are many thousands of children across the country who are in families experiencing food-poverty who don't even qualify for Free School Meals.
We joined the Lambeth & Southwark Food & Fun scheme because we felt this was a way we could help. We received some funding to help deliver the programme of food, fun sports and other activities, and whilst this was inadequate to cover all of our delivery costs, it was important to help bring this scheme to one of the most deprived parts of the Capital.
We wait to see how any new scheme will operate, but will also continue with our own home-grown efforts to provide food and other support to the community.
The Food and Fun programme followed on from the emergency food distribution work that Grove Adventure Playground did during the initial lockdown - see link.
In a similar vein, Grove Adventure Playground has recently launched its new "Right to Play" programme, a continuation of the Lambeth supported Summer "Stay & Play" scheme to provide play sessions for children and young people with Special Educational Needs and Disabilities. The funding for this scheme finished at the end of Summer, but once again we felt this was such important work that we now operate the newly renamed Right to Play scheme at our own cost and will continue to do so until we manage to get some funding to allow us to increase our capacity.
Poverty, special needs, hunger and deprivation doesn't just occur during school holidays and there needs to be so much more opportunity, funding, support and available venues like Grove, all year around.
Grove Adventure Playground re-opened in 2018 under threat off redevelopment and in the last 2+ years we have had a meaningful and positive impact in our community, with over 400 registrations from a standing start and a fantastic environment with some of the most challenging adventure play equipment in London for the local kids to enjoy supervised play, to explore the world around them and make new friends. We don't charge anything for access or activities and receive no direct funding from the Local Authority, but manage to provide a place of safety, excitement and empowerment for all of our children, we feed the kids, go on fantastic excursions and get stuck in with worthwhile local community projects in Loughborough Junction.
Here's another film; our entry for the Adventure Playground of the Year from last year - somehow we didn't win!
If anyone has any queries about Grove Adventure Playground - please email groveapg@gmail.com or even pop by any time during the week, especially if you have donations, books (for our community library), old kids bikes or any resources or ideas you think we could use.
Nick Lewis
Manager, Grove Adventure Playground
The effort made by Marcus Rashford to help force yet another u-turn from Johnson's inept government is amazing, but even so the new money that is being fronted by the Government is still far too little and there are many thousands of children across the country who are in families experiencing food-poverty who don't even qualify for Free School Meals.
We joined the Lambeth & Southwark Food & Fun scheme because we felt this was a way we could help. We received some funding to help deliver the programme of food, fun sports and other activities, and whilst this was inadequate to cover all of our delivery costs, it was important to help bring this scheme to one of the most deprived parts of the Capital.
We wait to see how any new scheme will operate, but will also continue with our own home-grown efforts to provide food and other support to the community.
The Food and Fun programme followed on from the emergency food distribution work that Grove Adventure Playground did during the initial lockdown - see link.
In a similar vein, Grove Adventure Playground has recently launched its new "Right to Play" programme, a continuation of the Lambeth supported Summer "Stay & Play" scheme to provide play sessions for children and young people with Special Educational Needs and Disabilities. The funding for this scheme finished at the end of Summer, but once again we felt this was such important work that we now operate the newly renamed Right to Play scheme at our own cost and will continue to do so until we manage to get some funding to allow us to increase our capacity.
Poverty, special needs, hunger and deprivation doesn't just occur during school holidays and there needs to be so much more opportunity, funding, support and available venues like Grove, all year around.
Grove Adventure Playground re-opened in 2018 under threat off redevelopment and in the last 2+ years we have had a meaningful and positive impact in our community, with over 400 registrations from a standing start and a fantastic environment with some of the most challenging adventure play equipment in London for the local kids to enjoy supervised play, to explore the world around them and make new friends. We don't charge anything for access or activities and receive no direct funding from the Local Authority, but manage to provide a place of safety, excitement and empowerment for all of our children, we feed the kids, go on fantastic excursions and get stuck in with worthwhile local community projects in Loughborough Junction.
Here's another film; our entry for the Adventure Playground of the Year from last year - somehow we didn't win!
If anyone has any queries about Grove Adventure Playground - please email groveapg@gmail.com or even pop by any time during the week, especially if you have donations, books (for our community library), old kids bikes or any resources or ideas you think we could use.
Nick Lewis
Manager, Grove Adventure Playground
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Part of keeping the Grove APG from threat of development is to make sure it is safeguarded in the updated Local Plan.
As those who have followed this thread know local residents had to argue with Council over the future of this land.
The Council insisting it was a development site and that there was no demand for an APG in the local area.
If the Council officers had there way then the land would have been permanently lost.
After much lobbying the Council allowed the APG to reopen. It has since proved very successful.
The Council refused to put wording into the Local Plan to protect this specific site.
So its now going to the Planning Inspector. LJ Neighbourhood Forum have put in submission to the Planning Inspector to alter the Council draft revised Local Plan to protect the Grove APG land for Youth Provision ( also the adjacent Youth centre land)
Without this wording the officers could in theory revisit idea of treating this Council owned site as a development oppurtunity.
When a Local Plan is revised the draft goes to a Planning Inspector to whom business and residents groups can submit criticisms.
Previous to that the Council "consulted" on the Local Plan revision.
This argument with Council has been going on for years now.
A Planning Inspector has limited influence. He has to see if the Local Plan meets national guidelines and is "sound".
Hearing on local areas including LJ is coming up this Thursday.
Will be live streamed on Teams and recorded for later viewing.
I understand it will be so the Planning Inspector can get full information from those who put in submissions. Decision will come later.
Planning Inspector is independent of the Council
www.lambeth.gov.uk
Argument is the LJ will have increase in population due to recent planning applications being agreed and more in pipeline. Therefore infrastructure needs safeguarding to support increased population. Land for youth services is one.
IMO the Council should not treat land it owns as a cash cow.
Nor should residents imo have to spend time arguing with a Labour Council about something as basic as youth facilties.
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During this time of arguing with the Council about this site on and off for several years Ive felt it grind me down. The obfuscation and hostility from officers and some Cllrs.
Not one Labour Cllr supported the idea to keep the Grove APG when officers were saying it was a development site.
At best some other Labour Cllrs will listen. But when push comes to shove they have not supported the long term future of the land.
As those who have followed this thread know local residents had to argue with Council over the future of this land.
The Council insisting it was a development site and that there was no demand for an APG in the local area.
If the Council officers had there way then the land would have been permanently lost.
After much lobbying the Council allowed the APG to reopen. It has since proved very successful.
The Council refused to put wording into the Local Plan to protect this specific site.
So its now going to the Planning Inspector. LJ Neighbourhood Forum have put in submission to the Planning Inspector to alter the Council draft revised Local Plan to protect the Grove APG land for Youth Provision ( also the adjacent Youth centre land)
Without this wording the officers could in theory revisit idea of treating this Council owned site as a development oppurtunity.
When a Local Plan is revised the draft goes to a Planning Inspector to whom business and residents groups can submit criticisms.
Previous to that the Council "consulted" on the Local Plan revision.
This argument with Council has been going on for years now.
A Planning Inspector has limited influence. He has to see if the Local Plan meets national guidelines and is "sound".
Hearing on local areas including LJ is coming up this Thursday.
Will be live streamed on Teams and recorded for later viewing.
I understand it will be so the Planning Inspector can get full information from those who put in submissions. Decision will come later.
Planning Inspector is independent of the Council
Local Plan examination
The Draft Revised Lambeth Local Plan Proposed Submission Version January 2020 was submitted for examination on 22 May 2020.
www.lambeth.gov.uk
Argument is the LJ will have increase in population due to recent planning applications being agreed and more in pipeline. Therefore infrastructure needs safeguarding to support increased population. Land for youth services is one.
IMO the Council should not treat land it owns as a cash cow.
Nor should residents imo have to spend time arguing with a Labour Council about something as basic as youth facilties.
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During this time of arguing with the Council about this site on and off for several years Ive felt it grind me down. The obfuscation and hostility from officers and some Cllrs.
Not one Labour Cllr supported the idea to keep the Grove APG when officers were saying it was a development site.
At best some other Labour Cllrs will listen. But when push comes to shove they have not supported the long term future of the land.
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Grove Adventure Playground launches their Christmas Present Appeal
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Grove Adventure Playground launches their Christmas Present Appeal
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Cheers - updated.
Because the only way to solve the housing crisis is to make housing affordable at market rates and the only way to do that is to increase housing supply so that housing is an abundant good?
The nimbyism in these threads is astonishing. Losing amenities sucks, but your right to a playground doesn't supercede the rights of an entire generation who've been locked out of housing altogether.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Why the only way? Main problem I hear about is high rents. Bringing back rent controls is different way to make housing affordable.
In fact a lot of high density housing is planned or going through the process of being planned in near future for LJ. With little play space for children.
This will lead to possible increase in population for Loughborough junction. With extra children growing up here
Btw I think their should be right to play space for younger people at adventure playground. It's important for social development of the next generation. Especially in a City. So this not nimbyism. It's all the more necessary in LJ with increasing population over next decade
Rent controls don't work - it becomes a lottery system for those few lucky enough to get it, meanwhile everybody else gets screwed. Rent controls also indirectly make it more expensive for literally everybody else in the area.
In a situation where there is abundant housing, rent controls are unnecessary. If there isn't enough housing to house everybody, then rent control is a lottery system that punishes everyone who doesn't win the lottery.
I don't have particular thoughts on this particular playground. What I would say is that if you (generically, not you specifically) find yourself opposing every new proposed housing development in your area (which seems the be the viewpoint of everybody on this forum), you are definitely a NIMBY and you are a part of the problem.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think you should watch Terry Gilliam's film "Brazil". This is what you are advocating for.
Unless of course you are a Tory Central Office bot - which it sounds like you are.
No what I'm advocating for is more in line with what Singapore has - where housing is high density and affordable to regular Singaporeans. Granted there's a lot about that city that I don't like, but on housing policy they have nailed the balance.
Tory's are actually very much aligned with you actually - none of them want anything built anywhere near the places that they live either. Of course the ad hominem attacks come out when the nimbys are called out on their selfishness.
The older generation, even the lefty ones, invariably oppose things that would lower their property values or affect their views (even whilst talking about how its a damn shame housing has gotten so expensive).
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
If you have no particular thoughts on this playground why are you on this thread?
I've pointed out that there is extra housing in the pipeline for Loughborough junction area.
No I don't oppose every new housing development.
Your posting imo based on no local knowledge of this area and what it needs.
Are you really saying a successful well attended adventure playground that serves the needs of the local community should be closed and turned into housing?
So where are local children going to get play space?
I think you should look at the Local Plan for Lambeth.
Planning guidelines state the importance of Grove APG and Youth centre for the area.
You keep insinuating that posters here are nimbys.
Yet you appear to know little of this area or planning guidelines.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Rent controls would apply to all private rented housing in an area. So don't see how its a lottery. Or how others get screwed.
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