Roger Waters self indulgent twat / not self indulgent twat

[Magnus McGinty]

Sure it was on a thread about misogynist language or violence against women or something similar.

Don’t think so mate. But apols if anyone offended.

 

[krtek a houby]

i have been patiently trying to explain that Waters is not the total c word that some imagine him to be. maybe my unawareness of the c word policy is not much of a defence though. so possibly it would have been better for me to change the basis of the whole argument from one about Waters to one about c word use. i dont know.

Let's put him in the "confused" category

Am a long term follower of the band, but don't rate them after the mid 70s.

Look, so many artists eventually end up disappointing... either musically or politically etc.

It's ok to like their output in the glory days and it's ok to dismiss them later.

 

[krtek a houby]

Don’t think so mate. But apols if anyone offended.

Hard to keep track here, Tbh.

 

[redcogs]

Dunno why people are so defensive about him. He’s not exactly a likeable fellow with decent politics.

i thought you thought Waters was a c word? Certainly there is plenty documentary proof above to suggest that you are tormented by strongish feelings about Waters. ie, you believe him to be a c word?

 

[Orang Utan]

i thought you thought Waters was a c word? Certainly there is plenty documentary proof above to suggest that you are tormented by strongish feelings about Waters. ie, you believe him to be a c word?

Yes, hence my confusion at people defending him

 

[redcogs]

What is astonishing is that i have eaten my bacon and egg tea, drank a cup, cleared my earwax with an implement and the debate still flows.. Waters is jus a vaguely left bloke with vaguely left bloke failings. not a c word. C word status needs earning by particularly hideous behaviour patterns no?

 

[Shechemite]

you are an unbelievably hypocritical individual Krtek

Search results for query: Idiot

Didn't we agree to ease up on use of the c-word some time back?

All in all, he's a another prick in the wall.

Do you know where the words like idiot and moron come from, and what sort of ideas they represent, Krtek? Do you know how idiots and morons are treated? Do you know they live (ie exist) and die in the same places (camps) that you that you fantasise about ending up in?

 

[Orang Utan]

What is astonishing is that i have eaten my bacon and egg tea, drank a cup, cleared my earwax with an implement and the debate still flows.. Waters is jus a vaguely left bloke with vaguely left bloke failings. not a c word. C word status needs earning by particularly hideous behaviour patterns no?

He’s a Cunt cos he’s an unpleasant prejudiced ignorant egotist with shit ideas, shit politics and shit music. Is that clear enough? I thought I’d made myself pretty clear already

 

[redcogs]

He’s a Cunt cos he’s an unpleasant prejudiced ignorant egotist with shit ideas, shit politics and shit music. Is that clear enough? I thought I’d made myself pretty clear already

wow, that is some list of condemnation. i realise he has an ego. Which performer does not, at some level? Ignorant? i assume you do not mean educationally (he seems bright enough to me) but personally. Possibly. never met him. Shit ideas? Christ there are far worse people who have genuinely shit ideas to label as c words, but given the thread is aboot Waters you can be forgiven. 'Unpleasant' and 'shit music' are simply value judgements not worth serious consideration. Does your accusation of prejudice relate to the (already put to bed) use of the nasty word "cripple", or something else entirely? i cant work it out from your (otherwise clear) post?

 

[Orang Utan]

wow, that is some list of condemnation. i realise he has an ego. Which performer does not, at some level? Ignorant? i assume you do not mean educationally (he seems bright enough to me) but personally. Possibly. never met him. Shit ideas? Christ there are far worse people who have genuinely shit ideas to label as c words, but given the thread is aboot Waters you can be forgiven. 'Unpleasant' and 'shit music' are simply value judgements not worth serious consideration. Does your accusation of prejudice relate to the (already put to bed) use of the nasty word "cripple", or something else entirely? i cant work it out from your (otherwise clear) post?

Haven’t you read the thread? It doesn’t matter what I think, I’m just giving my view of him as is everyone on here. He’s antisemitic, sexist and a generally unpleasant fellow. Don’t know why you can’t seem to be able to understand why I think he’s a cunt.

 

[redcogs]

Fuck me OU. i havn't the energy left.. i dont believe he is antisemitic anymore than i believe Corbyn is. If he was antisemitic he could correctly be labelled as a c word, and deservedly so. Do you mean he has been critical of Israel regarding Palestine? Of course he has. That dont make him a c word anymore than Corbyn's support for Palestinian rights doesn't make him a c word either. Sexist? quite probably. Unpleasant? Maybe sometimes, but sometimes not. Of course i realise you are simply expressing a view. So am i. and i find vour view questionable. In the end Water's is just an over egoed over paid, sometimes ill advised bloke who has a reasonable heart and mind, and i don't think he is a cunt. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Raheem]

Dunno why people are so defensive about him. He’s not exactly a likeable fellow with decent politics.

He's a boring rich musician with some odd and objectional opinions. But calling him "one of the world's most notorious anti-Semites" and trying to ban him from performing is even more ridiculous than he is.

 

[Orang Utan]

He's a boring rich musician with some odd and objectional opinions. But calling him "one of the world's most notorious anti-Semites" and trying to ban him from performing is even more ridiculous than he is.

I didn’t do that though. And my opinion of him remains unchanged.

 

[Raheem]

I didn’t do that though. And my opinion of him remains unchanged.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that you had. It was the government of whatever German state who said and did that.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fuck me OU. i havn't the energy left.. i dont believe he is antisemitic anymore than i believe Corbyn is. If he was antisemitic he could correctly be labelled as a c word, and deservedly so. Do you mean he has been critical of Israel regarding Palestine? Of course he has. That dont make him a c word anymore than Corbyn's support for Palestinian rights doesn't make him a c word either. Sexist? quite probably. Unpleasant? Maybe sometimes, but sometimes not. Of course i realise you are simply expressing a view. So am i. and i find vour view questionable. In the end Water's is just an over egoed over paid, sometimes ill advised bloke who has a reasonable heart and mind, and i don't think he is a cunt. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Dunno why you’re so invested in a stranger’s opinion of him. I’m entitled to think of him as a worthless boil of a man.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fuck me OU. i havn't the energy left.. i dont believe he is antisemitic anymore than i believe Corbyn is. If he was antisemitic he could correctly be labelled as a c word, and deservedly so. Do you mean he has been critical of Israel regarding Palestine? Of course he has. That dont make him a c word anymore than Corbyn's support for Palestinian rights doesn't make him a c word either. Sexist? quite probably. Unpleasant? Maybe sometimes, but sometimes not. Of course i realise you are simply expressing a view. So am i. and i find vour view questionable. In the end Water's is just an over egoed over paid, sometimes ill advised bloke who has a reasonable heart and mind, and i don't think he is a cunt. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I believe Corbyn to be an antisemite too, but let’s not go there.
But we can agree on him being an overegoed overpaid ill-advised bloke, if not that he is reasonable of heart and mind and that he is or isn’t a cunt. Perhaps you’re blinded by fandom and politics, or maybe my cunt barometer is twitchier than yours

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Nothing to do with JC of course.

Jesus Christ?

 

[Elpenor]

Just as a break from calling him a cunt.

Over the last few days I’ve listened to a few of his solo albums. I liked Radio Kaos the best.

IMO he produced his best work when in PF as the ideas and contributions of his bandmates provided enough of a balance to his ego and tendency to dominate. Once their interest / willingness to do this declined (from Animals onwards?) PF became the RW show which had what might be charitably called mixed results.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The funny things we get het up about on warm Friday nights.

 

[redcogs]

Sorry i dont understand the question? Which strangers are you referencing? Oh i see, you and i are strangers to each other. Yes. Dont take it personal. Its not intended to be personal. i have simply suggested that the descript

I believe Corbyn to be an antisemite too, but let’s not go there.
But we can agree on him being an overegoed overpaid ill-advised bloke, if not that he is reasonable of heart and mind and that he is or isn’t a cunt. Perhaps you’re blinded by fandom and politics, or maybe my cunt barometer is twitchier than yours

ion cunt should reserved for more deserving cases than Waters. i'm not blinded by any of the things you mention, least of all personal politics. So, as one stranger to another, you have presumed a lot. i agree that you twitch a good deal too btw.

 

[planetgeli]

. I’m entitled

Fucking dodgy use of ground and/or language. Try harder. Have an opinion. But fucking 'entitled' means much more.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fucking dodgy use of ground and/or language. Try harder. Have an opinion. But fucking 'entitled' means much more.

entitled to an opinion, like everyone

 

[hash tag]

Jesus Christ?

The post of mine you have quoted was referring to Nanker Phelge's comments on Israel. The JC is of course Jeremy Corbyn, who incidentally who a shout out from Waters.

Waters would love all this ranting, he appears to be revelling in it.

 

[spitfire]

Didn't we agree to ease up on use of the c-word some time back?

All in all, he's a another prick in the wall.

Yes there was some talk of it on that thread and I for one have stopped using it as some posters do find it unpleasant and misogynistic. I’m happy to take that on board, obviously other people can make their own minds up and may not have seen the conversation at the time.

Plenty of other things we can call people. e.g. I believe Roger Waters is a fucking twat.

 

[Orang Utan]

I don’t know what thread is being referred to but I know plenty of feminist women who are happy to use the word, some of them posters on here.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes there was some talk of it on that thread and I for one have stopped using it as some posters do find it unpleasant and misogynistic. I’m happy to take that on board, obviously other people can make their own minds up and may not have seen the conversation at the time.

Plenty of other things we can call people. e.g. I believe Roger Waters is a fucking twat.

If you’re going to avoid using cunt, then you’ll need to avoid using twat too

 

[spitfire]

I don’t know what thread is being referred to but I know plenty of feminist women who are happy to use the word, some of them posters on here.

I know, just passing on what was said.

 

[spitfire]

If you’re going to avoid using cunt, then you’ll need to avoid using twat too

Yeah, not really the same thing is it. It was that particular word we are talking about.

I still use it IRL, just avoid it on here. So I am also a hypocrite.

 

[Orang Utan]

Which thread was it?

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeah, not really the same thing is it. It was that particular word we are talking about.

I still use it IRL, just avoid it on here. So I am also a hypocrite.

It is the same thing though.