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RNLI vows to continue sea rescues despite prison fears for picking up migrants

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Great stuff. Reposted in full as it's from the FTs paywall


The UK’s leading maritime rescue charity has vowed to keep saving anyone in peril at sea despite provisions in draft legislation that barristers say could threaten volunteers with life imprisonment for picking up asylum seekers. The Royal National Lifeboat Institution made the statement after immigration barristers warned that Clause 38 of the nationality and borders bill, published on Tuesday, potentially criminalised rescues of asylum seekers if they were deemed to constitute “facilitating” their arrival in the UK.

“We are a life-saving charity and, under maritime law and the Safety of Life at Sea Convention (Solas), our volunteer lifeboat crews will always go to the aid of those in danger at sea,” it said. The statement marks the second time in a week that the volunteer-operated RNLI, which comes under the purview of HM Coastguard, has become ensnared in controversy over operations in the English Channel.

The organisation said on July 5 it was “incredibly proud” of its rescue work, despite criticism by the Daily Mail and Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, who said it was running a “taxi service for illegal immigration”. Clause 38 amends an offence under the 1971 Immigration Act of assisting an asylum seeker.

The clause increases the maximum sentence to life imprisonment, from 14 years, and removes the words “for gain”, which previously limited prosecutions to paid people smugglers. Humanitarian organisations tasked with helping asylum seekers, such as Care 4 Calais, would still enjoy the protection of a specific exemption in the 1971 Act.

One immigration barrister, Colin Yeo, wrote on Twitter that it looked to him that the amended offence criminalised the RNLI or “anyone else conducting sea rescue” who was not specifically dedicated to helping asylum seekers. George Peretz QC said that RNLI-type rescue operations involving asylum seekers seemed to fit the bill’s definition of “facilitating” the arrival of an asylum seeker in the UK. “It looks like a group like the RNLI would be committing that offence,” he said.

The Home Office insisted the bill targeted “ruthless criminal gangs” and that organisations and individuals would be able to continue to rescue those in distress in the sea. However, Peretz dismissed that explanation because it provided no explanation of how the department would avoid criminalising rescuers. “Mere assertion doesn’t cut it,” he said. All seafarers have an obligation under the UN’s Safety of Life at Sea convention to help people in distress that they encounter.

“I don’t think it’s just the RNLI,” Peretz added. “I think the shipping industry as a whole would have an interest in this.” The International Maritime Organization, the UN’s body for maritime law, has also expressed concern, saying that any situation that increased the risk of loss of life at sea should be avoided. The rescue issue is one of many to have emerged since the draft legislation’s publication. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees on Wednesday warned that the bill risked breaching the UK’s obligations as a signatory of the UN Refugee Convention.

The British Dental Association attacked provisions for immigration officers to use dental X-rays to try to work out a migrant’s age — a method the organisation said was “inaccurate, inappropriate and unethical”. The Home Office responded to questions about the issues by saying it would not rule out any option that could reduce “illegal immigration” and relieve pressure on what it called the “broken asylum system”.

 
As usual , a load of idiots will claim they are not giving the RNLI 'another penny' and muttering about swimming lessons in Africa or something.
Saw loads of people on Twitter last week responding to the RNLI statement to say they were donating/setting up direct debits/buying merch from their shop in support. Whether that cancels out the angry gammon mob I don't know, but I don't think the picture looked too grim in terms of public perception.
 
Saw loads of people on Twitter last week responding to the RNLI statement to say they were donating/setting up direct debits/buying merch from their shop in support. Whether that cancels out the angry gammon mob I don't know, but I don't think the picture looked too grim in terms of public perception.
There are always masses of supportive tweets , I'm sure I read somewhere that the RNIL had increased donations last year flowing similar outrage from certain types . See also the 'woke' National Trust.
 
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What the hell??

The RNLI are a fantastic and brilliant organization; men and women who put their lives at risk 24/, in the most trying of circumstances, all year round. They come from all walks of life, and are on call 24 hours a day. And they are all all volunteers, saving lives day in and day out by risking their own. To be potentially threatened with criminal proceedings is just absolutely disgraceful and should be treated with the utter contempt it deserves.
 
*increases monthly donation by another fiver.


This will end up like Hunt trying to screw the NHS, with him saying to trust me and ignore the know-nothing doctors. Who do we trust, those who go above and beyond to save our lives or some scumbag politician?
 
As usual , a load of idiots will claim they are not giving the RNLI 'another penny' and muttering about swimming lessons in Africa or something.
I'm sure some will, but this makes me feel the exact opposite. I will give them more. They're extremely brave, dedicated people. I have friends who wouldn't be alive but for them. They also gave my smack and crack addicted sister a chance, when she first got clean, when noone else would.
 
Saw loads of people on Twitter last week responding to the RNLI statement to say they were donating/setting up direct debits/buying merch from their shop in support. Whether that cancels out the angry gammon mob I don't know, but I don't think the picture looked too grim in terms of public perception.

That was my thought exactly, to donate to them asap. Meaning, when I next get paid (Friday) as I have £0.00 until then! Glad to know others are doing so too.
 
Scotland already has its own currency though. Notes are produced by three Scottish banks.

Nay, nay, and thrice nay!

They have their own notes, but the currency is still pounds sterling. Those three issuing banks are required to keep securities (or sterling notes) to the value of the Scottish notes they issue.

ETA> As pointed out by platinumsage above.
 
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Saw loads of people on Twitter last week responding to the RNLI statement to say they were donating/setting up direct debits/buying merch from their shop in support. Whether that cancels out the angry gammon mob I don't know, but I don't think the picture looked too grim in terms of public perception.
I’m not entirely sure that “the angry gammon mob” donates huge amounts to charity
 
Ref the RNLI and volunteers (and others) potentially being criminalised by rescuing people in the English Channel.

I'm going to draw all this into a letter and contact (email) my tory MP on the subject.

Lol! This is a fun story designed to get a reaction.

George Peretz is an excellent barrister but I can't help thinking he's having a bit of a troll here. There's no fucking way in the world that the CPS would prosecute the RNLI for pulling a load of asylum seekers out of the water if their boat flipped over, let alone banging-up any lifeboatmen for life. The idea is utterly preposterous. :D

The removal of "for gain" from the clause was probably intended to cover aid given by people who aren't directly paid for their assistance but it's created a wider legal academic point which has been jumped on by a couple of lawyers for a bit of publicity. Fair play to them.
 
I would like to think that, if it came to it, the image of banging up lifeboat volunteers would be too toxic.

But then I don't think in the mind of a grasping bigot like Patel
 
If the rozzers come for them they'd better be prepared to face a firefight, as we all know the RNLI kits out their heroes with a fearsome arsenal of firepower to deal with BH peoples...
 
If the rozzers come for them they'd better be prepared to face a firefight, as we all know the RNLI kits out their heroes with a fearsome arsenal of firepower to deal with BH peoples...
But if Patel turned up to gloat over the arrests you could shoot her in the face, she would clearly be boat happy so it would be a justified killing.

How can we arrange this?
 
Lol! This is a fun story designed to get a reaction.

George Peretz is an excellent barrister but I can't help thinking he's having a bit of a troll here. There's no fucking way in the world that the CPS would prosecute the RNLI for pulling a load of asylum seekers out of the water if their boat flipped over, let alone banging-up any lifeboatmen for life. The idea is utterly preposterous. :D

The removal of "for gain" from the clause was probably intended to cover aid given by people who aren't directly paid for their assistance but it's created a wider legal academic point which has been jumped on by a couple of lawyers for a bit of publicity. Fair play to them.

Yeah I’m sure the RNLI will be fine, brave government that actively targets them.

The legislation seems to be another way to fuck over truck drivers who unknowingly (or knowingly but plead otherwise and can’t be proved) bring people over in ignorance.

There will never be any accountability for the high level people stoking up the abuse the rnli is currently getting sadly. Just constant pretending this happens in a vacuum and nothing to do with messaging from Boris and pals
 
Yeah I’m sure the RNLI will be fine, brave government that actively targets them.

The legislation seems to be another way to fuck over truck drivers who unknowingly (or knowingly but plead otherwise and can’t be proved) bring people over in ignorance.

There will never be any accountability for the high level people stoking up the abuse the rnli is currently getting sadly. Just constant pretending this happens in a vacuum and nothing to do with messaging from Boris and pals
I think "jury nullification" might be a US legal term, but it refers to the situation where a jury, regardless of the obvious guilt of the defendant, simply returns a "not guilty" verdict. I'd imagine that would be an almost universal outcome if RNLI personnel were to be charged. Which I'm sure they wouldn't be, but that doesn't negate the potential harm of such a broadly-worded bit of legislation.
 



I know this has been mentioned on another thread, but I thought I'd just put on here as well. Seems apt.

So thanks Nige....your utter fuckwittery has worked wonders.:thumbs:

And may I humbly suggest to the RNLI that in gratitude they name their next lifeboat 'Twatty McTwatFace' in honour of the ex UKIP turd.
 
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