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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

This reminded me of some slightly-pissed musings I was having last night.

Suppose someone, aware of what happened, were to be transported back in time to that night - to the moment captured on the CCTV when Sarah Everard was "arrested". What would they do? What could they do. Armed with hindsight, I imagine it wouldn't be quite as hard to walk up and challenge the arrest...but what then? The perpetrator may well get spooked, and do a runner. You might call the police - interesting conversation - and say "I think someone just tried to abduct someone by flashing their warrant card. They've got abduction stuff in the car" (you'd know this, because you read the sentencing report before you travelled back in time).

Does anyone think that there's much likelihood that this would even be followed up? Or that a hue-and-cry might ensue to prevent another woman, somewhere else, being abducted? Given the way the police have been talking since the sentencing, my feeling is that it'd be dismissed, or waved away - there'd be a denial that it could possibly be an active police officer, that the warrant card was real, or that any threat existed.

With policing as it is right now, I'd say that the chances of stopping something like this happening again are just as minimal as they were before Sarah Everard was abducted. It's not even "closing ranks" - I think there is an institutional perception that this kind of thing just doesn't happen. Until it does, and even then they'll busily "other" the offender, and carry on exactly the same. The only thing, I think, that makes this a comparatively rare event is the fact that most people, even coppers, don't get to the stage where abducting and murdering women is an option. But that's no thanks to the police, their processes, or their willingness to take a very hard look at themselves.

We are no further on since this prosecution than we were before it happened, and I see no appetite for change within police institutions. :(
The only change police institutions want is for people to stop looking at them
 
Sadly I think you’re right; there’s a collective denial at work, hence the truth-twisting claims that he wasn’t a serving police officer.

I’ve seen lots of stupid and quite a lot of horrible stuff from old bill sources about this but I haven’t seen one that says he wasn’t a cop.

Stick up the link would you as it might be useful elsewhere.
 
As regards Cressida Dick learning lessons and putting the Met house in order, She needn't have waited till now, She could have started as soon as Wayne Couzens was charged. But the utterances from her and other senior people in the police, and home office, suggest they haven't yet found any lessons to apply, and this is a matter of concern. All this time and no lessons?
 
As regards Cressida Dick learning lessons and putting the Met house in order, She needn't have waited till now, She could have started as soon as Wayne Couzens was charged. But the utterances from her and other senior people in the police, and home office, suggest they haven't yet found any lessons to apply, and this is a matter of concern. All this time and no lessons?
Of course there are "lessons". But they may not be the lessons you're thinking of. Right now, I have no doubt that senior police officers around the land are having meetings to discuss "damage limitation", "reassurance", "crisis management", etc. You know, the whitewash stuff. Same as always.

None of them will be asking "how on earth do we weed out the misogynists, rapists, thugs, and perverts from our police forces?"
 
As regards Cressida Dick learning lessons and putting the Met house in order, She needn't have waited till now, She could have started as soon as Wayne Couzens was charged. But the utterances from her and other senior people in the police, and home office, suggest they haven't yet found any lessons to apply, and this is a matter of concern. All this time and no lessons?
She should have started before this, but when she and the met are criticised in any circumstances (eg Daniel Morgan) they dismiss the criticisms. Her p45 should be in the post
 
I’ve seen lots of stupid and quite a lot of horrible stuff from old bill sources about this but I haven’t seen one that says he wasn’t a cop.

Stick up the link would you as it might be useful elsewhere.
‘The police don’t see Wayne Couzens as one of them. That’s the problem

There’s also the description of him as a ‘former’ cop.

See also:
 “Couzens used his warrant card as part of his deception to identify himself as a police officer”  - but at the time of the abduction he was a police officer.
He only became a former officer when they sacked him -after he pleaded guilty.
 
actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

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good christ I'm massively dicked off about this - has anyone contacted him/tweeted/whatever and what's the best way to contact him/his force ?

FFS so we're meant to have a full and up to date knowledge of the current laws in addition to holding keys, being streetwise, being careful, never wearing attractive clothes or ever going out of the house ever ? DICK.

e2a ok I've sent an email to info@northyorkshire-pfcc.gov.uk FAO the unworthy Commissioner calling for his immediate resignation.
 
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FFS so we're meant to have a full and up to date knowledge of the current laws in addition to holding keys, being streetwise, being careful, never wearing attractive clothes or ever going out of the house ever ? DICK.

Slight tangent but I read an interesting comment about this somewhere, which was essentially: all the precautions women and girls take (no pony tail, text your friends your location, walk on well lit roads, don't wear revealing clothes etc etc) are not going to stop us from being attacked, and we know this - everyone knows this. It's not even the point. The job of these precautions is so that, if we are attacked, we can avoid as much blame as possible and make sure everyone knows that we are a good woman, not a bad woman who deserved it. How revolting.
 
Plus incidents when it's 'uncertain', two or three times when commuting into work I saw blokes with their dicks hanging out of their shorts/trousers. I couldn't be sure if it was an accident or a deliberate act, hence uncertain, so I didn't report it :(

Kind of off-topic but I have 2 pairs of jeans with a dodgy zip and there have been times I’ve gone out and that could feasibly have happened (eg. finding zip is half down or all the way down when I go to loo - it hasn’t happened but zip has been down iyswim).

Only thing on my mind has been the embarrassment but gutted at the idea that someone could be really threatened by it - didn’t even occur to me. :(
 
Slight tangent but I read an interesting comment about this somewhere, which was essentially: all the precautions women and girls take (no pony tail, text your friends your location, walk on well lit roads, don't wear revealing clothes etc etc) are not going to stop us from being attacked, and we know this - everyone knows this. It's not even the point. The job of these precautions is so that, if we are attacked, we can avoid as much blame as possible and make sure everyone knows that we are a good woman, not a bad woman who deserved it. How revolting.
Yes, of course this is true, when all we want to do is get home without being interfered with.
 
Kind of off-topic but I have 2 pairs of jeans with a dodgy zip and there have been times I’ve gone out and that could feasibly have happened (eg. finding zip is half down or all the way down when I go to loo - it hasn’t happened but zip has been down iyswim).

Only thing on my mind has been the embarrassment but gutted at the idea that someone could be really threatened by it - didn’t even occur to me. :(
Just to end this, get button flies and dodgy zip issues no longer apply
 
Just to end this, get button flies and dodgy zip issues no longer apply

Annoying for many other reasons.
It’s just my 2 pairs of “lockdown lardarse” jeans which I hope to shrink out of soon.

Just really meant to say that it is perfectly plausible that what QoG described could have been an accident. Kind of sick-making that some predators trade on that for plausible deniability.
 
good christ I'm massively dicked off about this - has anyone contacted him/tweeted/whatever and what's the best way to contact him/his force ?

FFS so we're meant to have a full and up to date knowledge of the current laws in addition to holding keys, being streetwise, being careful, never wearing attractive clothes or ever going out of the house ever ? DICK.

e2a ok I've sent an email to info@northyorkshire-pfcc.gov.uk FAO the unworthy Commissioner calling for his immediate resignation.
I suppose the people of North Yorks could count their luck that their Policing & Crime Commissioner is 'merely' an apologist for sexual predators with warrant cards; Cambridgeshire's Deputy PCC had himself been a sexual predator with a warrant card

 
I've sent an email to info@northyorkshire-pfcc.gov.uk FAO the unworthy Commissioner calling for his immediate resignation.
Good work re. email.

His stupid ‘streetwise’ comments are particularly rage-inducing since a former partner of Sarah Everard’s testified at the trial that she was:

‘extremely intelligent, savvy and streetwise" and "not a gullible person"’ - but this didn’t save her ☹️

My guess is that her compliance was due to his persuasiveness, intimidation & threats, as well, maybe, if she - tragically - had a misplaced trust in the police, as many law-abiding people have.

Thing is, this compliance / obedience is exactly what police want and expect when they stop a member of the public. Any questioning of their authority will put their backs up to say the least.

Which is why the recently-issued police advice if stopped by a lone cop - to take their number / phone 999 / demand to be taken to a police station / wave down a bus FFS - is so cack-handedly ill-advised
 
Good work re. email.

His stupid ‘streetwise’ comments are particularly rage-inducing since a former partner of Sarah Everard’s testified at the trial that she was:

‘extremely intelligent, savvy and streetwise" and "not a gullible person"’ - but this didn’t save her ☹️

My guess is that her compliance was due to his persuasiveness, intimidation & threats, as well, maybe, if she - tragically - had a misplaced trust in the police, as many law-abiding people have.

Thing is, this compliance / obedience is exactly what police want and expect when they stop a member of the public. Any questioning of their authority will put their backs up to say the least.

Which is why the recently-issued police advice if stopped by a lone cop - to take their number / phone 999 / demand to be taken to a police station / wave down a bus FFS - is so cack-handedly ill-advised
Exactly this - I don't anything about Sarah's background but it wouldn't surprise me if she'd had absolutely no contact with anyone in the police at all before this, so the "You're nicked" spiel would just have been enough. And you know, even if she had followed Commissioner Allott's belated advice and realised that this was a wrongful 'arrest' and managed to escape Couzens, it would only have been some other poor woman's name in the title of this thread.
 
Exactly this - I don't anything about Sarah's background but it wouldn't surprise me if she'd had absolutely no contact with anyone in the police at all before this, so the "You're nicked" spiel would just have been enough. And you know, even if she had followed Commissioner Allott's belated advice and realised that this was a wrongful 'arrest' and managed to escape Couzens, it would only have been some other poor woman's name in the title of this thread.

We can’t even know for sure that this was his first attempt, so very true.
 
Not a laughing matter, but this makes the point quite well: Women can avoid attacks by rogue police officers by 'not existing', advises Met Police

THE Metropolitan Police have issued official advice today telling women the best way to avoid attacks by rogue police officers is by simple non-existence.
Women everywhere have welcomed the strong response which puts the onus squarely on them to prevent violence from men, and not the institution supposed to protect the public.
A spokesperson for the Met said: “The best way to stop violence against women is for there to be no women. You might think that the police need to take responsibility by properly vetting members of the force or investigating reports of crimes by officers, but this isn’t cost-effective.
“Instead, we offer this advice: if you believe you are in imminent danger, have you thought about not being there in the first place? Predators can’t prey on thin air.
“It’s better than any misguided advice about flagging down bus drivers and asking them to take out corrupt cops for you, and offers 100 per cent protection.

“We’ve been working really hard on this. We put our heads together and tried our absolute best to make no real structural changes and this is what we came up with. So now we can all move on.”
Alongside their advice to women, the Met is also asking people of colour worried about systematic biases from the police if they have tried being white instead.
 
My guess is that her compliance was due to his persuasiveness, intimidation & threats, as well, maybe, if she - tragically - had a misplaced trust in the police, as many law-abiding people have.

Thing is, this compliance / obedience is exactly what police want and expect when they stop a member of the public. Any questioning of their authority will put their backs up to say the least.

Which is why the recently-issued police advice if stopped by a lone cop - to take their number / phone 999 / demand to be taken to a police station / wave down a bus FFS - is so cack-handedly ill-advised

Tbh even if you have no trust of the police at all, it's often a case of 'what can I do to make this go smoothly'. And that is never 'oh, are you really on duty' etc. Not that that would have made the slightest difference.
 
Not a laughing matter, but this makes the point quite well: Women can avoid attacks by rogue police officers by 'not existing', advises Met Police

THE Metropolitan Police have issued official advice today telling women the best way to avoid attacks by rogue police officers is by simple non-existence.
Women everywhere have welcomed the strong response which puts the onus squarely on them to prevent violence from men, and not the institution supposed to protect the public.
A spokesperson for the Met said: “The best way to stop violence against women is for there to be no women. You might think that the police need to take responsibility by properly vetting members of the force or investigating reports of crimes by officers, but this isn’t cost-effective.
“Instead, we offer this advice: if you believe you are in imminent danger, have you thought about not being there in the first place? Predators can’t prey on thin air.
“It’s better than any misguided advice about flagging down bus drivers and asking them to take out corrupt cops for you, and offers 100 per cent protection.

“We’ve been working really hard on this. We put our heads together and tried our absolute best to make no real structural changes and this is what we came up with. So now we can all move on.”
Alongside their advice to women, the Met is also asking people of colour worried about systematic biases from the police if they have tried being white instead.
That's pretty much what they're asking, that women don't exist.

After all, it is clearly our fault when men are violent towards us.
 
Tbh even if you have no trust of the police at all, it's often a case of 'what can I do to make this go smoothly'. And that is never 'oh, are you really on duty' etc. Not that that would have made the slightest difference.

Trouble with that is, I suspect that, all a mildly dodgy copper has to do is phone in to say that I'm about to "deal with something / make an arrest" and they are "on duty" . They then ring back and say that it didn't happen "there wasn't any problem or I lost the the thief / twoccer" ...

And no, there isn't an easy solution until men grow up and out of their "need" for physical dominance & control and gain the ability to control their impulses [anger or whatever] ...
 
Slight tangent but I read an interesting comment about this somewhere, which was essentially: all the precautions women and girls take (no pony tail, text your friends your location, walk on well lit roads, don't wear revealing clothes etc etc) are not going to stop us from being attacked, and we know this - everyone knows this. It's not even the point. The job of these precautions is so that, if we are attacked, we can avoid as much blame as possible and make sure everyone knows that we are a good woman, not a bad woman who deserved it. How revolting.
i'm intrigued - why no pony tail?
 
Trouble with that is, I suspect that, all a mildly dodgy copper has to do is phone in to say that I'm about to "deal with something / make an arrest" and they are "on duty" . They then ring back and say that it didn't happen "there wasn't any problem or I lost the the thief / twoccer" ...

And no, there isn't an easy solution until men grow up and out of their "need" for physical dominance & control and gain the ability to control their impulses [anger or whatever] ...

Think you've misread my post there... My point was that even someone who doesn't trust the police at all is still going to be compliant* at the point of arrest, simply because they know the best way to get out of there asap is just to do as you're told. The idea of challenging a police officer on their status, or pulling a phone to call their station is absurd even now, and was unimaginable then.

*I hate that word now.
 
Think you've misread my post there... My point was that even someone who doesn't trust the police at all is still going to be compliant* at the point of arrest, simply because they know the best way to get out of there asap is just to do as you're told. The idea of challenging a police officer on their status, or pulling a phone to call their station is absurd even now, and was unimaginable then.

*I hate that word now.
More by luck than judgement, I've never had the experience of being arrested. Even back in my days as a protesting student !
But I agree, most people used to work on "Resistance is Futile" as that is usually the quickest way to deal with the situation.

The "ring the station" advice is absurd.
Up here, we don't have anything locally, and Northumbria's control room covers such a huge area ...

It is on a par with "ring the electric / gas / water , if someone is at your door and you want to check they are legit" and don't ring the number on the ID, look it up ...
And still there are literally hundreds of "distraction" robberies and other fraudsters out there ...
 
More by luck than judgement, I've never had the experience of being arrested. Even back in my days as a protesting student !
But I agree, most people used to work on "Resistance is Futile" as that is usually the quickest way to deal with the situation.

The "ring the station" advice is absurd.
Up here, we don't have anything locally, and Northumbria's control room covers such a huge area ...

It is on a par with "ring the electric / gas / water , if someone is at your door and you want to check they are legit" and don't ring the number on the ID, look it up ...
And still there are literally hundreds of "distraction" robberies and other fraudsters out there ...
And like Couzens, a genuine member of a utilities company could also murder you.
 
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