RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Gramsci]

Watched the video of new head of Met Rowley. He rejects the word "institutionally " as he says it is an "ambiguous" word and that it has become "politicised" According to him it's ambiguous as it will mean different things to different people.

Imo he is taking a swipe at what he sees as left wing criticism of policing.

He also says he "respects" Casey use of it.

Doesn't sound like that to me.

He says he is "rooting" out bad officers.

He is doing two things here that Casey warns against in the introduction of report.

That it should not be seen that there are bad apples to be got rid of.

That she uses the word institutionally not lightly. My reading of the introduction is that if one rejects that word then one is not taking the report seriously.

She also points out it is a term that has been used before. The MacPherson report.

A problem with police is that they push back on these reports. She specifically says that she wants all her recommendations followed. That the Met don't "cherry pick" from them

 

[Pickman's model]

Watched the video of new head of Met Rowley. He rejects the word "institutionally " as he says it is an "ambiguous" word and that it has become "politicised" According to him it's ambiguous as it will mean different things to different people.

Imo he is taking a swipe at what he sees as left wing criticism of policing.

He also says he "respects" Casey use of it.

Doesn't sound like that to me.

He says he is "rooting" out bad officers.

He is doing two things here that Casey warns against in the introduction of report.

That it should not be seen that there are bad apples to be got rid of.

That she uses the word institutionally not lightly. My reading of the introduction is that if one rejects that word then one is not taking the report seriously.

She also points out it is a term that has been used before. The MacPherson report.

A problem with police is that they push back on these reports. She specifically says that she wants all her recommendations followed. That the Met don't "cherry pick" from them

I thought Rowley said recently he'd like to be able to sack dodgy cops but didn't have the necessary powers to, or similar

E2A you'd expect cops to push back on this sort of report but they couldn't have picked a worse time to do so. For every week, if not every day, we read of yet another sexual predator in the police. We know the vetting system has been fucked, and people know from their everyday lives that the cops are racist, sexist, homophobic, biased against young people and so on, that they glory in being effectively above the law. Pushing back isn't an option on terms of winning back the confidence of people who've realised they don't really cater to victims of crime. They don't really do crime solving in the great majority of cases: maybe murder they exercise themselves a bit but not rape, burglary, assault, theft.

And until they show they have an interest in solving the crimes that matter to people, pushing back is going to make the situation worse for them. Weaselly wank about not liking the word institutional shows Rowley has his head in the sand.

No one I know has any confidence in the police. There's no way this is going to improve for the cops because there's many hundreds of criminal cops yet to stand trial - till at least 2025. Smash it up and start again. Or just smash it up

 

[Gramsci]

This local community leader always has confidence in the Met. Whatever happens.

 

[Gramsci]

Good analysis by Vikram Dodd in the Guardian.

Points out that those supposed to supervise the Met were falling down on their job

The only GLA members to question police were Green party.

That doesn't surprise. Lambeth Cllrs go on about how they have , in words of one, "good relations with the Police". And that in meeting after the shameful actions of police in breaking up the Vigil on Clapham common.

Police are one of those institutions that any criticism of is seen as wrong. Politicians are terrified of doing it

It's taken recent events to eventually have a report that sets out the facts

I think the decreasing Londoners confidence in Met shook up the politicians to actually do something.

Louise Casey’s report on the Met police: the fall of a British institution

Analysis: Metropolitan police again found to be institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic – and in need of radical reform

www.theguardian.com

 

[LeytonCatLady]

This local community leader always has confidence in the Met. Whatever happens.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking tragic.

 

[Gramsci]

It would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking tragic.

They are well known community leader. Liked by this Labour Council. Acts as representative of community when meeting the Met. Which they do on regular basis.

 

[Tulster218]

They are well known community leader. Liked by this Labour Council. Acts as representative of community when meeting the Met. Which they do on regular basis.

They get funding from the Met.

Take what they say with a pinch of salt.

 

[Gramsci]

Met chief may have ‘missed his moment’ to overhaul force, says Louise Casey

Author of damning report criticises Sir Mark Rowley over refusal to acknowledge institutional racism, sexism and homophobia

www.theguardian.com

Casey again saying that Rowley was wrong

 

[Gramsci]

Parliamentary and Diplomatic protection unit was where Everards killer , Wayne Couzens and Carrick worked.

Been reading the part of Casey report on armed officers.

The section that the two worked in has been subject to Met internal inquiry. But Casey says it still has not finished when she finished her report.

Which is overall problem with Met. Something happens - internal inquiry - nothing happens.

The other armed section is the elite Mo19 specialist firearms. Here the Casy report is jaw dropping. Sexist and racist and they didn't even try to hide this from Casey. She says when asked about this section other officers would roll their eyes and imply nothing can be done about them.

Casey does not mince words. This section is a white male sexist and racist boys own club. Run by the junior officers and beyond the touch of senior officers. Its an elite that are untouchable.

She also found they were raking it in on spurious overtime claims.

The way to keep ethnic minorities , women and those who do not fit the canteen culture is the training.

The officers who do training and the MO19 officers all know each other. Someone who does not fit is made sure to fail training and lose right to hold a firearm

She also found that a blind eye was turned to their extravagant expense claims and toys they bought. Such as night vision googles that were useless in city streets.

Officers with right to wear weapons were treated differently and had privileged position in Met.

Right to have firearms and sexist / racist/ misogynistic attitudes/ canteen culture went hand in hand.

 

[Gramsci]

Impression I get from report is that at present the kind of policeman who wants to have right to have fireman( and it is man and usually white) is really not the sort of person one wants as a policeman.

If I read her report right she wants that section disbanded and started again from scratch.

 

[kittyP]

It's so upsetting that it's not in any way a shock.

 

[trashpony]

The inquiry into Wayne Couzens has found he (unsurprisingly) has a long history of sexual offences as well as the exposure charges we know about.

“Wayne Couzens’s alleged offending included attempting to kidnap someone at knifepoint, sexually assaulting a man in drag, sexually assaulting a child, and raping a woman under a bridge in London in 2019.”

Archived version of article.

https://archive.is/2024.02.29-123751/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f333eed8-eb13-49ab-b0bc-bc98ff8bc64e?shareToken=fa108f6bc0f6e4cef99232cd788ed7b1

Why was he ever allowed to be a police officer? And how many more rapists do the police employ?

 

[Thora]

There will be loads just like him. That To Catch a Copper doc the other day showed the police officer picking up a lone drunk woman, driving her to a secluded spot and having sex with her - the police decided he hadn't done anything wrong. He had been in the police force for years, no chance that was the first time he had ever done something like that.

 

[8ball]

Watched the video of new head of Met Rowley. He rejects the word "institutionally " as he says it is an "ambiguous" word and that it has become "politicised" According to him it's ambiguous as it will mean different things to different people.

I do see it being used to mean different things to be fair, but an honest approach would mean defining terms for each meaning more consistently, rather than trying to roll back to the "bad apple" model.

 

[Pickman's model]

Watched the video of new head of Met Rowley. He rejects the word "institutionally " as he says it is an "ambiguous" word and that it has become "politicised" According to him it's ambiguous as it will mean different things to different people.

Imo he is taking a swipe at what he sees as left wing criticism of policing.

He also says he "respects" Casey use of it.

Doesn't sound like that to me.

He says he is "rooting" out bad officers.

He is doing two things here that Casey warns against in the introduction of report.

That it should not be seen that there are bad apples to be got rid of.

That she uses the word institutionally not lightly. My reading of the introduction is that if one rejects that word then one is not taking the report seriously.

She also points out it is a term that has been used before. The MacPherson report.

A problem with police is that they push back on these reports. She specifically says that she wants all her recommendations followed. That the Met don't "cherry pick" from them

from the looks of things he's more routing in than rooting out bad officers

 

[8ball]

It would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking tragic.

The bit that still gets to me is "£34 victim surcharge".

It's really not often that I have no words.

 

[DietCokeGirl]

"Errors in the vetting process meant a Police National Database check came back as “no trace”.
How is that even possible nowadays?

 

[xenon]

"Errors in the vetting process meant a Police National Database check came back as “no trace”.
How is that even possible nowadays?

Yeah. Where I work we do enhanced DBS. Which I was under the impression picks up any hint of investigation over serious allegations. You can’t even volunteer if it comes back as iffy.
We had to give him a job because you know none of that stuff showed up. I somehow don’t really believe nothing showed up.

 

[xenon]

Never mind all the other allegations once he was even employed. There are multiple failures here IMO apart from the general attitude of police towards offences like flashing.

 

[Gramsci]

Yeah. Where I work we do enhanced DBS. Which I was under the impression picks up any hint of investigation over serious allegations. You can’t even volunteer if it comes back as iffy.
We had to give him a job because you know none of that stuff showed up. I somehow don’t really believe nothing showed up.

Yes I agree. I have had an enhanced DBS. ( And that was a voluntary thing).

And likewise I really do not understand how he could have gone forward with his career in police and nothing being noticed.

 

[Gramsci]

"Errors in the vetting process meant a Police National Database check came back as “no trace”.
How is that even possible nowadays?

Read about this today.

My impression is that he fitted in with police culture. So , despite vetting process, he kept his career in Met.

And that there is a difference between the outward picture that the police as an institution like to portray and what actually happens.

Reading Casey report and looking at reports on this and its clear to me that the Met in particular have ingrained culture that is as Casey say sexist and racist.

 

[planetgeli]

Just so you know lessons have been learned and all you women can feel safe now.

‘Fake policeman’ attempted to pull over woman on M1 by showing ID

Two forces apologise to driver saying time has run out for any charges over incident on motorway

www.theguardian.com

Didn't give his card in when he left the force. Not investigated because of bureaucratic incompetence which led to them running out of time to charge him.

 

[existentialist]

Just so you know lessons have been learned and all you women can feel safe now.

‘Fake policeman’ attempted to pull over woman on M1 by showing ID

Two forces apologise to driver saying time has run out for any charges over incident on motorway

www.theguardian.com

Didn't give his card in when he left the force. Not investigated because of bureaucratic incompetence which led to them running out of time to charge him.

It gives you some idea of just how seriously they take the idea of women being harassed by apparent - or real - police personnel, doesn't it?

 

[cesare]

It gives you some idea of just how seriously they take the idea of women being harassed by apparent - or real - police personnel, doesn't it?

Same old same old. Nothing's changed.

 

[Gramsci]

Just so you know lessons have been learned and all you women can feel safe now.

‘Fake policeman’ attempted to pull over woman on M1 by showing ID

Two forces apologise to driver saying time has run out for any charges over incident on motorway

www.theguardian.com

Didn't give his card in when he left the force. Not investigated because of bureaucratic incompetence which led to them running out of time to charge him.

Another thing is as a "civilian contractor" ( whatever that is) he was given an ID that at a distance/ superficially to a lay person could look like an official PC ID.

It carried a police crest, though it would have been stamped “not a warrant card” and would not have been issued in a wallet. The force said practices for returning cards had now been tightened up.

WTF do so called civilian contractors get an ID with a police crest on it that an ordinary person just glancing at it might think is a PC ID?

FFS

 

[existentialist]

Another thing is as a "civilian contractor" ( whatever that is) he was given an ID that at a distance/ superficially to a lay person could look like an official PC ID.



WTF do so called civilian contractors get an ID with a police crest on it that an ordinary person just glancing at it might think is a PC ID?

FFS

I think there may turn out to be more to this "civilian contractor" than might be trying to be insinuated. I cannot believe for one moment that the bloke that PAT tests the computers is getting something that would pass as a police ID. This is going to be, I suspect, quite a "senior" civilian contractor. With privileges.

ICBW. I expect it'll emerge - they usually screw up these coverups eventually.