RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[LeytonCatLady]

actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

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Sarah Everard murder: Police boss Philip Allott urged to quit over comments

Commissioner Philip Allott said women "need to be streetwise" in the wake of the Sarah Everard case.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh for fuck's sake...

 

[bimble]

that was this guy. its a political role, he represents the conservative party.

 

[Voley]

actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

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Sarah Everard murder: Police boss Philip Allott urged to quit over comments

Commissioner Philip Allott said women "need to be streetwise" in the wake of the Sarah Everard case.

www.bbc.co.uk

For fucks sake.

 

[two sheds]

See how that works out with any arrests at the next candlelit vigil.

 

[equationgirl]

Yeah, how dare she trust the police.

Wanker.

 

[Sue]

actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

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Sarah Everard murder: Police boss Philip Allott urged to quit over comments

Commissioner Philip Allott said women "need to be streetwise" in the wake of the Sarah Everard case.

www.bbc.co.uk

All her own fault clearly. There's been loads of offensive stuff written round this but that is about as victim blaming as it gets. FFS.

 

[two sheds]

Lets forget the size difference between them, too.

 

[David Clapson]

Bus drivers aren't going to stop any time someone flags them down though. I'd imagine bus drivers would be even less likely to stop and get in the middle of a threatening situation too.

I'm suggesting standing in the road in front of them, not waving at them from the pavement. The 20mph limit makes this safer than it used to be. And the bus driver doesn't need to leave the safety of the bus. Just the deterrent effect of the camera and of the driver being a witness might be enough to stop the aggressor.

 

[equationgirl]

That's another thing I find odd about this case. I know coppers aren't all renowned for being bright, but you'd have thought that anyone with even the most basic grasp of investigative techniques would understand enough to e.g. keep away from CCTV, be aware of cell siting of phones, not provide their real details to the hire company, leave a trail of their movements through card payments, bury a body on their own land, etc. Maybe he was thick, maybe he was complacent having got away with similar before, or maybe it was just the arrogance that nobody would believe it was him.

Could have been arrogant enough for sure, could have been decompensating (also suggested by the indecent exposure event a few days before).

Also probably not as clever as he thought he was.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Kate Wilson connecting things together:

...The police hide behind the narrative of the “rogue officer” to avoid accountability for the culture of toxic misogyny that they harbour within their ranks. Nothing makes that point more clearly than the rush to deny that Wayne Couzens was in any way representative of the police service. Cressida’ Dick said in June that the Met was home to the occasional “bad ’un”....

...The Macpherson inquiry found the Met police to be institutionally racist. The inquiry into the Daniel Morgan case found them to be “institutionally corrupt”. I have no doubt it is a matter of time before they are recognised to be institutionally sexist. This lack of accountability has got to stop. That does not simply mean calling for resignations. Cressida Dick’s resignation will not address these systemic problems that go back decades. What is required is a serious rethink and root-and-branch changes to the Metropolitan police service, an institution that is, in my opinion, beyond redemption.

Kate Wilson: after spy cops case the Met is beyond redemption | Undercover police and policing | The Guardian

The woman at the centre of a human rights claim against police gives her response to the ruling

amp.theguardian.com

 

[equationgirl]

I'm suggesting standing in the road in front of them, not waving at them from the pavement. The 20mph limit makes this safer than it used to be. And the bus driver doesn't need to leave the safety of the bus. Just the deterrent effect of the camera and of the driver being a witness might be enough to stop the aggressor.

Risky. Getting hit by a bus at 20mph is not going to be pretty.

 

[Sue]

I'm suggesting standing in the road in front of them, not waving at them from the pavement. The 20mph limit makes this safer than it used to be. And the bus driver doesn't need to leave the safety of the bus. Just the deterrent effect of the camera and of the driver being a witness might be enough to stop the aggressor.

So the choice is potentially get attacked by a police officer or get run over by a bus? (Assuming there are buses on your route and one happens to be going past at an opportune moment.) I don't think you've really thought this through, David Clapson .

ETA Really, I just want to be able to walk home in peace.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm suggesting standing in the road in front of them, not waving at them from the pavement. The 20mph limit makes this safer than it used to be. And the bus driver doesn't need to leave the safety of the bus. Just the deterrent effect of the camera and of the driver being a witness might be enough to stop the aggressor.

perhaps a 999 call could get an ambulance to the site for just after the collision takes place

 

[David Clapson]

Risky. Getting hit by a bus at 20mph is not going to be pretty.

No. But at least the driver is probably concentrating and not drunk. The stopping distance from 20mph is very short. Sometimes when I've been threatened in Brixton I've deterred people by saying 'I don't think you want to assault me with that camera over there'. Now I can also say 'we're being filmed by that bus, I don't think you wan to...etc.' That's the only point I'm trying to make here. I don't think many of us were aware of bus dashcams until Couzens was caught by this one. As I said before, buses are not a solution to rapists and murderers being in the police force.

 

[bimble]

the whole bus thing was a desperate attempt to distract, part of their attempt to distance themselves from him.

 

[Thora]

I'm suggesting standing in the road in front of them, not waving at them from the pavement. The 20mph limit makes this safer than it used to be. And the bus driver doesn't need to leave the safety of the bus. Just the deterrent effect of the camera and of the driver being a witness might be enough to stop the aggressor.

Sure, I'll add jump in front of a bus to my list of helpful don't get raped tips

Then next time some silly lady is abducted we can all say "but why didn't she just jump in front of a bus?"

 

[8ball]

the whole bus thing was a desperate attempt to distract, part of their attempt to distance themselves from him.

I just saw about that. That was fucking unbelievable.

 

[Yossarian]

Has Couzens acknowledged that he staged a fake COVID arrest, or is Commissioner Shithead going on conjecture when he blames SarahEverard for her own murder?

 

[Sue]

Sure, I'll add jump in front of a bus to my list of helpful don't get raped tips

Then next time some silly lady is abducted we can all say "but why didn't she just jump in front of a bus?"

(We really need a rolleyes/what the actual fuck reaction thing.)

 

[David Clapson]

So the choice is potentially get attacked by a police officer or get run over by a bus? (Assuming there are buses on your route and one happens to be going past at an opportune time.) I don't think you've really thought this through, David Clapson .

ETA Really, I just want to be able to walk home in peace.

That's pretty obvious. Even I, as a man, can comprehend this. I have thought this through, a great deal. Who else has even bothered to look up how Couzens was caught? If it makes you feel better to have a pile on, go ahead. I'm past caring. I've said what I wanted, which is to point out how you and I can use a bus to save ourselves.

 

[killer b]

have a pile on

I think you should step away from this thread david

 

[bimble]

Has Couzens acknowledged that he staged a fake COVID arrest, or is Commissioner Shithead going on conjecture when he blames SarahEverard for her own murder?

Dont know if he's said anything at all.
The 'advice' that man came up with, to resist arrest from a police showing you a warrant, is really terrible advice.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's pretty obvious. Even I, as a man, can comprehend this. I have thought this through, a great deal. Who else has even bothered to look up how Couzens was caught? If it makes you feel better to have a pile on, go ahead. I'm past caring. I've said what I wanted, which is to point out how you and I can use a bus to save ourselves.

how many times have you placed yourself in front of a moving bus? at night? even as a man surely you can see it's a fucking stupid idea

 

[Voley]

the whole bus thing was a desperate attempt to distract, part of their attempt to distance themselves from him.

It's a ridiculous own goal and admission of failure on their part. That they don't see this is part of the problem.

Whoever has the job of sorting this awful organisation out - and it really can't be Cressida Dick - has got their work cut out for them.

 

[bimble]

the crazed nature of the statements being made today (women need to learn about arrest legislation, and they need to flag down busses etc etc) I do find it astonishing that they have had half a year to try to come up with some sort of coherent line but instead have not even tried to do that, are just flailing about panicking in public.

 

[Pickman's model]

the crazed nature of the statements being made today (women need to learn about arrest legislation, and they need to flag down busses etc etc) I do find it astonishing that they have had half a year to try to come up with some sort of coherent line but instead have not even tried to do that, are just flailing about panicking in public.

anything but accept responsibility themselves
sometimes sorry really is the hardest word

 

[danny la rouge]

Whoever has the job of sorting this awful organisation out

It’s not just the Met, though, is it? What do we (men or women) now do anywhere in the country when approached by a police officer?

Suggestions from the Met include:

Run away
Be Street wise
Catch a bus
Phone the Police
Check their warrant card (of no use in Sarah’s case)
Ask searching questions

If they can’t see that this has completely pulled the rug out from under the notion of consent for Policing, then they’re even more fucked than they look.

 

[equationgirl]

In my experiences, buses won't always stop at an actual bus stop, let alone anywhere else.

David Clapson it's not a pile on. But you must know by now that any suggestion of a remotely impractical nature are going to get short shrift on urban at the best of times, let alone in the midst of 'handy tips' to stop people getting murdered because it's obviously their fault that happens.

 

[baldrick]

It’s not just the Met, though, is it? What do we (men or women) now do anywhere in the country when approached by a police officer?

Suggestions from the Met include:

Run away
Be Street wise
Catch a bus
Phone the Police
Check their warrant card (of no use in Sarah’s case)
Ask searching questions

If they can’t see that this has completely pulled the rug out from under the notion of consent for Policing, then they’re even more fucked than they look.

And as if any of this advice is helpful for minority ethnic people who are in some measure of danger from the police even without them being sex offenders.

 

[equationgirl]

It's so tone deaf and dense isn't it.

It's just so ridiculous.

The actual police are saying, if you feel unsafe flag down a bus'