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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

Thora said:
It's more often advice about getting taxis - take a photo of the number plate so if you go missing they'll be able to find the driver.
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Someone mentioned the other day that women pull out hair in taxis so their DNA might be found. I mean fucking hell, women are getting into cars and leaving evidence in case they are raped and/or murdered.

Honestly, this fucking bullshit.
 
Anyone who has had any dealings with the police knows it's utterly ludicrous to even question their motives or ask why they are trying to arrest or question you. If you ask for or attempt any of the things the met are suggesting then you are more likely just to get nicked anyway. And that's when the cop isn't a kidnapping rapist murderer. It's just ludicrous to suggest asking for another copper to come and help or to flag down a bus. The only people who could ever suggest this are cunts who have been found out IMO.
 
Looby said:
Someone mentioned the other day that women pull out hair in taxis so their DNA might be found. I mean fucking hell, women are getting into cars and leaving evidence in case they are raped and/or murdered.

Honestly, this fucking bullshit.
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I'm sure there was a murder case where a prostituted woman shoved lipsticks and things from her bag under the front seat of the car while she was being driven to a remote location. She knew, just like Sarah did.
 
bimble said:
actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

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www.bbc.co.uk

Sarah Everard murder: Police boss Philip Allott urged to quit over comments

Commissioner Philip Allott said women "need to be streetwise" in the wake of the Sarah Everard case.
www.bbc.co.uk
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So much of what's been in the media about this case in the past 24 hours appears to be a combination of (attempted) damage limitation and what comes across as simple victim blaming.

I've always known the police were institutionally corrupt and self serving, but this just seems...

...words fail me.
 
Athos said:
That's another thing I find odd about this case. I know coppers aren't all renowned for being bright, but you'd have thought that anyone with even the most basic grasp of investigative techniques would understand enough to e.g. keep away from CCTV, be aware of cell siting of phones, not provide their real details to the hire company, leave a trail of their movements through card payments, bury a body on their own land, etc. Maybe he was thick, maybe he was complacent having got away with similar before, or maybe it was just the arrogance that nobody would believe it was him.
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You're making the mistake of thinking that he was governed by rational cognitive level thinking rather than perverse fantasies. He brutally raped and murdered a young woman. Likely it was the thrill of the risk, or a part of him wanted to be caught.
 
If Sarah had tried to resist by asking searching questions etc he may have decided there was too much attention and not gone through with it (possibly) or just bundled her into the car anyway. IME there would have been next to no pedestrians there at that time and people in cars only pass for a second and are unlikely to clock anything suspicious until after the fact, if at all. She did nothing wrong by complying with a police officer's commands. Resisting arrest rarely improves the situation for people apprehended by the police.

The advice is doubly meaningless if it is not coupled with advice/directives to male officers not to try and arrest women who are not in immediate danger or a danger to others when they are patrolling on their own, to patiently wait for another officer to arrive, to patiently allow the woman to phone 999 or whatever and not get all offended about being 'accused of being a killer'. Where is that advice?
 
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Red Cat said:
You're making the mistake of thinking that he was governed by rational cognitive level thinking rather than perverse fantasies. He brutally raped and murdered a young woman. Likely it was the thrill of the risk, or a part of him wanted to be caught.
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Yeah, and I guess I should be grateful that it makes no sense to me.
 
Whatever 'streetwise' means.

I would antipate that the number of women carrying a weapon increases if it hasn't already, for example.
 
I haven't had extensive experience with the police or "authority", but my feelings about them has been shaped by my treatment so perhaps it is worth sharing. I was detained three times while suffering from bipolar, the first time a quite small and not at all threatening female police officer sort of talked me down while her numerous larger male colleagues just wanted to physically force me into their van.

The second time four large policemen removed me from my upstairs home office, so violently that our banisters were broken, and in front of my then very young son who was traumatised as a result.

The third time five large policemen came to take me away (a restraint request having been sent from the hospital from which I had escaped, I had been told that my son was very ill and I simply went home to check on him) they were talked down from excess aggression by my very calm neighbour, that was three police cars with their lights on outside my house, my neighbours all out on the pavement enjoying the drama.

The very first time I went to hospital I was forcibly restrained by four nurses face down onto the ground and sedated, I was very ill but the way they "handled me" bothered me for a long time. I was forcibly sedated on another occasion and it was handled much better (standing up). Mental health nurses are trained in restraint, sometimes they do it well, other times less so.

My feeling about policemen is that they resort to violence quickly and are used with all their tools to getting their way. This violence, its acceptance that it is a part of the job, can't be healthy and that they pretty much always win gives them a sense of superiority. When I am well I simply don't answer back to a policeman because I know they will always be right. A small example, going in the back seat of a police car back to my hospital I saw we were doing 80 on a narrow A road, no blue lights on. I complained I didn't feel safe, the two policemen in the front couldn't have cared less.

I do think they often feel they are the law, or at least are above the law, and whatever they do is right, it is a dangerous arrogance. I am not sure this arrogance played a part in Sarah Everard's murder but Wayne Couzens certainly must have thought he could get away with it. I doubt this was the first time Couzens raped someone, I think more will come out.
 
equationgirl said:
Whatever 'streetwise' means.

I would antipate that the number of women carrying a weapon increases if it hasn't already, for example.
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Streetwise means that when an actual serving policeman with a warrant card and standard issue handcuffs arrests you using the correct procedure, you should know that he's actually a murderer. Surely that's obvious?
 
And anyone who's has any dealings whatsoever with police on the street would know that they regularly exceed the extent of their powers and don't take kindly to anything but unquestioning obedience. Unless you are absolutely and demonstrably all over the detail of the law (and, probably, a straight, white, able-bodied male), any hint of non-compliance will likely see you nicked and probably roughed up in the process.
 
In case anyone does still think this is a one off or a UK only problem, this article has just popped up on the BBC about a police officer in France:

www.bbc.co.uk

French ex-officer's DNA ends 35-year murder hunt

François Vérove took his life before he could be questioned and provide a DNA sample.
www.bbc.co.uk

He is likely the killer of Cecile Bloch, a big case in Paris.

Unfortunately, he is beyond justice in this world, his body was found in a rental property and is being linked to a number of murders through DNA. It is likely he committed other crimes.
 
bimble said:
actually furious, all over again, seeing this now.
this was said today, on bbc radio, by an elected police commisioner.

she should never have submitted to that, the silly woman.

View attachment 290842

www.bbc.co.uk

Sarah Everard murder: Police boss Philip Allott urged to quit over comments

Commissioner Philip Allott said women "need to be streetwise" in the wake of the Sarah Everard case.
www.bbc.co.uk
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What an appallingly offensive and insensitive comment to make. And also, with regards to the second part of the quote, extremely patronising towards women in general. 'Perhaps women need to consider in terms of the legal process, to just learn a bit about that legal process'. I mean, what the hell? No, the police can try and spin as much damage limitation as they want, but the one single truth remains this: this young woman died an awful, desperate and lonely death at the hands of one of their own. All for walking along a street. And no amount of excuses or upcoming inquiries or bullshit 'advice' (stop a bus!?! ) can alter that fact.
 
equationgirl said:
In case anyone does still think this is a one off or a UK only problem, this article has just popped up on the BBC about a police officer in France:

www.bbc.co.uk

French ex-officer's DNA ends 35-year murder hunt

François Vérove took his life before he could be questioned and provide a DNA sample.
www.bbc.co.uk

He is likely the killer of Cecile Bloch, a big case in Paris.

Unfortunately, he is beyond justice in this world, his body was found in a rental property and is being linked to a number of murders through DNA. It is likely he committed other crimes.
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Just saw the same story.
www.theguardian.com

Paris serial killer of 80s and 90s was ex-police officer, DNA shows

François Vérove took his own life and mentioned crimes in suicide note after being called in for questioning
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

A police uniform, has to be the easiest route to wielding power over other people (& your intended victims).
Not saying these men joined the police as a ruse, but maybe the job being attractive to people drawn to assuming that position of authority and control over others is part of the problem.
 
nogojones said:
Tory police and crime commissioners all seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Andy Coles - Powerbase

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That's a particularly salient example, because he also lied in statements to the Undercover Policing Inquiry that he had not pursued, initiated and had intimate, sexual relationships with targeted women whilst undercover (he had). Even now he doesn't give the impression of considering the women he abused as people.

Coles went on to write the handbook used to teach recruits to his unit on the finer points of working undercover, right down to recommending that they have "fleeting and disastrous relationships" to help build up their legend.

specialbranchfiles.uk

SDS Tradecraft Manual

Eveline Lubbers, 23 March 2018 In March 2018, the Undercover Policing Inquiry published the Special Demonstration Squad Tradecraft Manual, written in 1995, and updated in 1996. It was authored by A…
specialbranchfiles.uk

ETA:

I see his brother's weighing in too

 
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bimble said:
Just saw the same story.
www.theguardian.com

Paris serial killer of 80s and 90s was ex-police officer, DNA shows

François Vérove took his own life and mentioned crimes in suicide note after being called in for questioning
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

A police uniform, has to be the easiest route to wielding power over other people (& your intended victims).
Not saying these men joined the police as a ruse, but maybe the job being attractive to people drawn to assuming that position of authority and control over others is part of the problem.
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Alain Lamare, a French gendarme who was also a would-be serial killer of women in the 1970s/1980s, participated in the investigation into his own crimes.

He wasn't suspected for a long time, even after incredibly odd, troubling behaviour and sometimes appearing alone at the scene of a crime before anyone else.

He is still alive.
 
quimcunx said:
If Sarah had tried to resist by asking searching questions etc he may have decided there was too much attention and not gone through with it (possibly) or just bundled her into the car anyway. IME there would have been next to no pedestrians there at that time and people in cars only pass for a second and are unlikely to clock anything suspicious until after the fact, if at all. She did nothing wrong by complying with a police officer's commands. Resisting arrest rarely improves the situation for people apprehended by the police.

The advice is doubly meaningless if it is not coupled with advice/directives to male officers not to try and arrest women who are not in immediate danger or a danger to others when they are patrolling on their own, to patiently wait for another officer to arrive, to patiently allow the woman to phone 999 or whatever and not get all offended about being 'accused of being a killer'. Where is that advice?
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Agree 100%
Advice shouldn't be directed at women to modify their behaviour (yet again - don't get drunk, don't wear certain clothes, don't go out at night, flag down a bus FFS) but directed at the police to modify their arrest procedures as an attempt to regain some trust. They are the ones currently and rightly undergoing a crisis of public confidence so it should be incumbent on them to change their behaviour - why can't they see this?
 
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