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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

On R4 today they had an interview with a couple of women and asked them whether their respect for the police had been affected by this. Of course they said it had but one of them said, not in the PCSOs, she still had faith in them, because she knew them well, she had grown up with them and they were well known locally.

Perhaps more community based policing, where people know their local police might offer a route forward?
 
equationgirl said:
Some of them take the 'only let passengers on at a bus stop' very very literally. I've seen a bus driver who is partially pulled away but stationary because of traffic stopped at lights still refuse to let passengers on.

Plus how many times have we heard of bus drivers refusing to let a lone person on, sometimes even a younger teenager, for not having the fare only for them to be hurt or killed?
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Yeah, basically I was at the stop, trying to figure out the bus timetable, looked up, saw the bus pull up and pull away immediately because I didn’t wave my arm and then stop at the lights. What kind of arsehole does that?
 
"Look. We know we're as corrupt as fuck and riddled to the core with maggots who hate women because of the culture we've encouraged, but it's women who need to change, adapt to that. Learn some law or something. Hail a taxi."

They are cunts.
 
danny la rouge said:
How? Most rapes are not committed by strangers.
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I think it was said because of the length of time the women had known their PCSOs, they had started with visits when the woman was at school, and I think PCSOs usually travel in pairs and are more likely to be women themselves.
 
weltweit said:
On R4 today they had an interview with a couple of women and asked them whether their respect for the police had been affected by this. Of course they said it had but one of them said, not in the PCSOs, she still had faith in them, because she knew them well, she had grown up with them and they were well known locally.

Perhaps more community based policing, where people know their local police might offer a route forward?
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Yeh. But if you go into the neighbouring police area, the next ward or whatnot, how will you know their police? How will you know members of the various centrally organised units like the diplomatic police or tsg? And even if you do go down this neighborhood policing, which I've argued previously is largely for police intelligence, what possible guarantee is there they're not dodgy?
 
I’ve had very little to do with police for a long time, but last time I did it was inside my home, in the middle of the night, and have to say I noticed whilst it was happening that it did help (make the whole thing less frightening) that one of the 2 was a woman.
It’s not a ‘representation’ thing but made a real difference to my physical safety feeling.
Those uniforms with all the shiny tools of violence hanging off are just intimidating as hell.
 
bimble said:
I’ve had very little to do with police for a long time, but last time I did it was inside my home, in the middle of the night, and have to say I noticed whilst it was happening that it did help (make the whole thing less frightening) that one of the 2 was a woman.
It’s not a ‘representation’ thing but made a real difference to my physical safety feeling.
Those uniforms with all the shiny tools of violence hanging off are just intimidating as hell.
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I agree, that was my experience also.
 
bimble said:
I’ve had very little to do with police for a long time, but last time I did it was inside my home, in the middle of the night, and have to say I noticed whilst it was happening that it did help (make the whole thing less frightening) that one of the 2 was a woman.
It’s not a ‘representation’ thing but made a real difference to my physical safety feeling.
Those uniforms with all the shiny tools of violence hanging off are just intimidating as hell.
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Can totally identify. I don't think it's only women that feel safer if a copper is female either.
 
Pickman's model said:
Yeh. But if you go into the neighbouring police area, the next ward or whatnot, how will you know their police? How will you know members of the various centrally organised units like the diplomatic police or tsg? And even if you do go down this neighborhood policing, which I've argued previously is largely for police intelligence, what possible guarantee is there they're not dodgy?
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You make good points, but might it be a small improvement do you think?
 
danny la rouge said:
Only the point about women officers would be likely to make any difference.
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I dunno, if the coppers were part of the community, known by them and lived among them, it would be hard for their weird alienated culture to persist in the way it does, and people would see them around and stuff, know who they are, it would be harder for a lot of these cases to slip by. Would mean a significant other changes too and there are complications relating to some units like plain clothes etc. and it clearly doesn't solve everything, but I think there is something there.
 
if i was trying to do a desperate silver lining, it would be that at least the Met (and media) are talking about the idea that distrust and fear of the police is understandable and rational.
Focus now is on women, as having a legit reason to feel this way, previously have only heard very guarded noises about why black people might legitimately fear that an encounter with a police officer is not going to proceed along the lines of 'if yr innocent you have nothing fear' and all that .
 
I note with interest that Donna McLean has stated that the undercover officer who targeted her, Carlo Soracchi (who as 'Carlo Neri' initiated an intimate relationship with at least 4 women), was subsequently posted to the same firearms unit as Couzens.
Why did they turn a blind eye to Couzens’ predatory nature? Why did they ignore the red flags? Was it that same institutional misogyny that led to a tradecraft manual being written on how to deceive women into abusive relationships?
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😡

www.independent.co.uk

Opinion: I was deceived into an intimate relationship with a Met Police officer

This was no accident, no ‘rogue’ officer taking advantage. This was state-sponsored abuse of women on an enormous scale, and we were never given any answers
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
It's really reassuring to know that bus drivers hold an inherent power over police and can stop them killing you.

The advice of this AM is basically assume that the police, and anyone who wants to join, is going to be a piece of shit so it's on you to mitigate that. You can't fix the cops, but things like bodycams, dashcams, and the public regularly filming the police is your best hope.
 
little_legs said:
It's really reassuring to know that bus drivers hold an inherent power over police and can stop them killing you.

The advice of this AM is basically assume that the police, and anyone who wants to join, is going to be a piece of shit so it's on you to mitigate that. You can't fix the cops, but things like bodycams, dashcams, and the public regularly filming the police is your best hope.
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Well, as my mate found when accused of assaulting a police officer a couple of weeks ago, police body cam footage is wont to go missing.
 
On one occasion, amid extensive publicity about Everard’s disappearance, he took his family on a day out to the woods, allowing his two children to play close by. On March 8, the day before his arrest, he drove back to the Met’s base in Brompton, west London, where he returned his police equipment, including the murder weapon, to his locker. He kept up the impression of being a family man, calling the dentist about his children hours after dumping the body, and the vet about the family dog on March 5, two minutes before buying rubble bags.

When he was arrested he initially told officers he had never met Everard but then constructed a web of lies, claiming he was in “financial shit” and took Everard because he was in debt to a Romanian prostitution gang. He admitted the abduction but falsely claimed he handed her over safe and well on a motorway layby to gangsters.

In a police-recorded interview, played to the court, he said: “[They] threatened to take my family away from me. At that point I was doing what I can for my family and that’s it. I’m off work with stress because I’m here to protect my family.”
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Did no one realise he was a total psychopath? I thought the police were supposed to be trained in this stuff. And let’s not forget he had a firearms licence
 
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