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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

Guardian article talks about 'allegations that the Met, Britain’s biggest force, may not have properly investigated further claims of indecent exposure against Couzens in London in February 2021'.
Further claims = more incidents, more than the already known 3, which were also reported to the police
makes me feel despair the whole whole thing.
 
bimble said:
Guardian article talks about 'allegations that the Met, Britain’s biggest force, may not have properly investigated further claims of indecent exposure against Couzens in London in February 2021'.
Further claims = more incidents, more than the already known 3, which were also reported to the police
makes me feel despair the whole whole thing.
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When you couple this with the brutal, heavy-handed way that those same police waded into the Clapham vigil, you really have to wonder just how deep that seam of misogyny goes.
 
bimble said:
Guardian article talks about 'allegations that the Met, Britain’s biggest force, may not have properly investigated further claims of indecent exposure against Couzens in London in February 2021'.
Further claims = more incidents, more than the already known 3, which were also reported to the police
makes me feel despair the whole whole thing.
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As Al Jolson said you ain't seen nothing yet
 
existentialist said:
When you couple this with the brutal, heavy-handed way that those same police waded into the Clapham vigil, you really have to wonder just how deep that seam of misogyny goes.
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have been trying not to shout at news most of the day when the mention the met and the public reaction to her death

Women protested and the Met walked in a kicked the shite of them after waiting to make sure VIP's had left

:mad:
 
bimble said:
What's that supposed to mean plenty more despair where this came from ? Shitty response. Thanks for that.
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That's supposed to mean that I expect his criminal history will be quite extensive, that we've only peered into this particular abyss. If you're looking for good news or cheery stuff you can't expect to find it on threads like this. And you know that.
 
Think an AM was talking about the Met's poor record of investigation and disciplining officers earlier in the week at an Assembly committee
 
Sue said:
And this kind of sums it up. FFS.

'Privately, police leaders see Couzens and his offences as a one-off, and have not yet identified any broader issues or systems such as vetting that need urgent change. They will await the results of the IOPC investigations to see if reforms are needed.'

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"Just a bad apple."

But you do have to wonder whether the barrel attracts this particular kind of bad apple, and/or makes apples go bad. Whatever it is, it's a systemic problem.
 
Sue said:
And this kind of sums it up. FFS.

'Privately, police leaders see Couzens and his offences as a one-off, and have not yet identified any broader issues or systems such as vetting that need urgent change. They will await the results of the IOPC investigations to see if reforms are needed.'

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They have to wait until the whitewash is complete to figure out that maybe someone repeatedly accused of sex offences should not have been serving as a copper?
 
He has proven to be a homicidal, sexual predator and pervert. The indication is that he has been exhibiting aberrant behaviour for about 6 years.
His employers have been sending him out on to the London streets with equipment designed specifically to kill people. Presumably as part of a team, non of whom seemed to notice any issues with his behaviour.
You'd hope there were some form of psychological checks made by the Met Police before they hand over a sub machine gun.

Duty of care...
Pressure from the Met must have forced him to give a full guilty plea to avoid having to cover their negligence in court.
 
ricbake said:
He has proven to be a homicidal, sexual predator and pervert. The indication is that he has been exhibiting aberrant behaviour for about 6 years.
His employers have been sending him out on to the London streets with equipment designed specifically to kill people. Presumably as part of a team, non of whom seemed to notice any issues with his behaviour.
You'd hope there were some form of psychological checks made by the Met Police before they hand over a sub machine gun.

Duty of care...
Pressure from the Met must have forced him to give a full guilty plea to avoid having to cover their negligence in court.
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I did wonder about that last bit, too. I wonder what the sweetener was? A promise to try quite hard to prevent him getting his head kicked in in prison, maybe?
 
ricbake said:
He has proven to be a homicidal, sexual predator and pervert. The indication is that he has been exhibiting aberrant behaviour for about 6 years.
His employers have been sending him out on to the London streets with equipment designed specifically to kill people. Presumably as part of a team, non of whom seemed to notice any issues with his behaviour.
You'd hope there were some form of psychological checks made by the Met Police before they hand over a sub machine gun.

Duty of care...
Pressure from the Met must have forced him to give a full guilty plea to avoid having to cover their negligence in court.
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Tbh I'm sure he fitted in to the met's canteen culture and was liked and admired by his colleagues
 
existentialist said:
I did wonder about that last bit, too. I wonder what the sweetener was? A promise to try quite hard to prevent him getting his head kicked in in prison, maybe?
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"You've been a naughty boy and gone far too far. You'll have to pay the price, but you're one of us and we look after our own"
 
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From the IOPC:

Following today’s (Friday 9 July) guilty plea at the Old Bailey by Metropolitan Police Service Police Constable Wayne Couzens, who admitted murdering Sarah Everard, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has issued an update on its linked conduct investigations.

We have served a total of 12 gross misconduct or misconduct notices on police officers from several forces as we continue to investigate matters linked to the conduct of PC Couzens.

One of our investigations has examined the circumstances surrounding how PC Couzens sustained head injuries in custody on 10 and 12 March after he had been arrested on suspicion of the murder of Sarah Everard. This investigation is nearing its conclusion and all officers involved have been treated as witnesses.

Other ongoing investigations are:

  • An investigation into alleged MPS failures to investigate two allegations of indecent exposure linked to PC Couzens in London in February 2021. Two officers* are being investigated for possible breaches of professional standards at misconduct level.
  • An investigation into alleged Kent Police failures to investigate an indecent exposure incident linked to PC Couzens in Kent in 2015. No notices have been served.
  • An investigation into allegations that a probationary MPS police constable shared an inappropriate graphic with colleagues via social media. The officer subsequently manned a cordon at the scene of the search for Ms Everard. Three officers have been served with gross misconduct notices.
  • An investigation into allegations that officers from a number of forces breached standards of professional behaviour while sharing information linked to the prosecution of PC Couzens via a messaging app. One officer has been served with a gross misconduct notice and another six have received misconduct notices.
The serving of misconduct notices does not necessarily mean that disciplinary proceedings will follow.

*My bold

The first and second bullets should be expanded into 'The whole shoddy organisation is being investigated from top to bottom' but it looks as if the idea of 'just a few people not doing their job in a largely decent well-run organisation' is going to be the angle.
 
JuanTwoThree said:
From the IOPC:

Following today’s (Friday 9 July) guilty plea at the Old Bailey by Metropolitan Police Service Police Constable Wayne Couzens, who admitted murdering Sarah Everard, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has issued an update on its linked conduct investigations.

We have served a total of 12 gross misconduct or misconduct notices on police officers from several forces as we continue to investigate matters linked to the conduct of PC Couzens.

One of our investigations has examined the circumstances surrounding how PC Couzens sustained head injuries in custody on 10 and 12 March after he had been arrested on suspicion of the murder of Sarah Everard. This investigation is nearing its conclusion and all officers involved have been treated as witnesses.

Other ongoing investigations are:

  • An investigation into alleged MPS failures to investigate two allegations of indecent exposure linked to PC Couzens in London in February 2021. Two officers* are being investigated for possible breaches of professional standards at misconduct level.
  • An investigation into alleged Kent Police failures to investigate an indecent exposure incident linked to PC Couzens in Kent in 2015. No notices have been served.
  • An investigation into allegations that a probationary MPS police constable shared an inappropriate graphic with colleagues via social media. The officer subsequently manned a cordon at the scene of the search for Ms Everard. Three officers have been served with gross misconduct notices.
  • An investigation into allegations that officers from a number of forces breached standards of professional behaviour while sharing information linked to the prosecution of PC Couzens via a messaging app. One officer has been served with a gross misconduct notice and another six have received misconduct notices.
The serving of misconduct notices does not necessarily mean that disciplinary proceedings will follow.

*My bold

The first and second bullets should be expanded into 'The whole shoddy organisation is being investigated from top to bottom' but it looks as if the idea of 'just a few people not doing their job in a largely decent well-run organisation' is going to be the angle.
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I don't think there is an adequate response possible in the current political climate, in part as there's not the political will I think among either the Tory or labour parties and the police themselves have great form for successfully opposing any reforms. Any reasonable response to the way that the police are both crammed with criminals and utterly incompetent (can the two be linked?) would involve ejecting and prosecuting large numbers of cops. And I think this would present more issues, both legal and administrative.
 
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When I lived in The Basque Country I was teaching a very senior politician who over various classes concluded with me that 'You have a not overly employable young person who is attracted by some military discipline but not too much, a clear-cut political stance, a sense of belonging to an organisation with its uniform and its customs and secrets, the chance for physical violence, a clear-cut enemy, the workmates are the social life, being able to walk down the street out of their role and people not know their secret life and so on and on'.

He was making the point that in the Basque Country young people, often very similar people from similar backgrounds, ended up on one side or the other of photos like this one

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It's not exactly like that in the UK but there is the at-present insurmountable problem that a great many of the attractions of policing the country appeal to too many wrong'uns from the off or to people who end up corrupted.

As Plato didn't say 'The last people you want in the police are people who want to be there'. I see no easy solution.
 
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