existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, but "lol"
RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Not sure I get you?Yes, but "lol"
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Just going to be a child and say "lol" or actually back up your posts?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It was a reference to another poster whose argument against anything thoughtful appears to be "lol". Probably a bit obscure...oops
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Got you, no worriesIt was a reference to another poster whose argument against anything thoughtful appears to be "lol". Probably a bit obscure...oops
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
OK the police are bastards and no one likes them. I'd really like it just for once, if instead of a general macho bun fight on this thread, we could actually talk about the more pressing issues facing any woman (or indeed any lgbtq person) about the right to walk home safely.
Can we address the issue of safety of women on the street? or the issue of police telling women to stay home for their own safety? or the issue of society's misogeny in general?
Can we address the issue of safety of women on the street? or the issue of police telling women to stay home for their own safety? or the issue of society's misogeny in general?
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Does anyone know for instance if the culture of misogeny of the police that led to the failure to investigate the yorkshire rippers crimes was ever addressed? What equality and diversity screening / awareness training do police go through? any links, stats etc
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Have u read much of this thread?
A lot of these issues have been covered.
Policing has come up due to police actions at the vigil and the accused being a police officer.
Effectively the Met leadership have silenced women's voices.
On ACAB. My reading of what happened over vigil was that local Lambeth police were working with those who wanted to a vigil. They were over ruled by Cressida Dick.
So on local level police wanted to work with local community.
When I raised issue of the policing of vigil and Cressida Dick over ruling local police none of the local police present at a local consultation meeting I attended stepped in to defend their boss.
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friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
so is misogeny all solved now? did I miss that bit?
ash
Inittogether
DietCokeGirl
Fishing in the rivers of life
If you're a bloke, yes.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Typically, people will usually just observe that the thread has drifted off topic...
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Wayne Couzens has now pleaded guilty.
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Pleaded guilty to kidnap & rape but "accepted responsibility for killing Ms Everard but did not enter a plea on the charge of murder."
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I guess this is the bit where we have to be careful not to speculate on what he might be trying to achieve with those pleas...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
for a minute i thought he might be taking responsibility and wouldn't put her friends and family through the trauma of a trial
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It'd have been nice to think so...
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Reminds me of Leanne Tiernan's murderer back in 2000, who admitted to abducting and sexually assaulting her before her death, which he claimed was caused by her falling off his bed and hitting her head. The post mortem had already shown Leanne died of strangulation and not a head injury though, so that poor excuse was dismissed. What's Couzen's explanation then for being responsible for Sarah's death but not her murder???
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh it doesn't bear thinking about
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
He's just being a cunt, looking for his only way out of never being released.
Athos
Well-Known Member
He's awaiting the medical evidence, which could be one of two things: first, if it's medical evidence in respect of the victim, in case she had any underlying condition which he could use to bring murder down to manslaughter; or, secondly (and more likely), if it's medical evidence in respect of him, to prove some reduced mental capacity, which could reduce murder to manslaughter.
Glitter
Goddess of rock!
Given the condition of the body (it was extremely difficukt to identify her I think) I’m guessing he’s going with the ‘I only intended to kidnap and rape her’ and he’s hoping cause of death isn’t going to be able to be determined.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Possibly, though I'm not sure how that would fit with him accepting responsibility for killing her.
Glitter
Goddess of rock!
If they can’t prove it was on purpose he can claim it was accidental rather than deliberate as his defence?
Athos
Well-Known Member
Possibly. But I've got a sneaking suspicion that he's going down the 'diminished responsibility' route. Hence the head-banging whilst in custody. Especially in light of the post mortem suggesting the cause of death was compression of the neck.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Then its odd, isn't it, to accept responsibility, as he apparently has done?
Athos
Well-Known Member
No, he'd be effectively accepting he was causally responsible i.e. that his acts caused her death, but that he wasn't entirely culpable for that.
