RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
ACABBWMCAMBTO is indeed a bit of a mouthful
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
And THAT is the in-vino-veritas personality of the type of person who wants to be a cop. Listen to how much he’s loving being able to play-act the big powerful policeman who knows all the magic words that grant him all the power he wants over other people. Foul little shit.
The biggest problem with the police is that you or I wouldn’t soil ourselves by having to work alongside the bully boys and jumped up shitstains like him, and anyway, don’t get turned on at the thought of flexing power over others with a nice shiny badge.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
bimble
floofy
Not a fine. That’s her “compensation”. She has been compensated. She might not be able to sleep and her kids are terrified of police but hey she could buy a tv with that. Justice. Unbelievable.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I... what?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
All Coppers Are Bastards But West Midlands Cops Are More Bastardy Than Others
Gramsci
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This is just speculation. He has yet to stand trial. He is not convicted yet.
Putting blame on crime drama I do object to.
I'm not great watcher of crime drama. Its just not my thing. I prefer Sci Fi.
I did see The Serpent. Which was all the more scary as it was based on fact.
I'm also into a wide range of film. Some of which is violent.
I think there is difference between real life and fiction. I don't think fiction makes people go out and be murderers.
Raheem
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Now that's a rare Smith's bootleg.
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Gramsci
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I do notice men on my generation have mixed views on police. Living through the 80s where the police were violent its seems there default mode to me.
I was at a community meeting run by Council last night on community safety issues. I felt compelled to raise issue of what happened at the vigil. As no one else did. Police said it was now going to subject to an inquiry.
In area like mine Brixton/ Loughborough Junction which is one of Englands and Lambeth most deprived areas crime and anti social behavior affects people directly. And its high. It is not that people just don't trust police. They want policing that responds to them. Not done to them.
I was at a community meeting run by Council last night on community safety issues. I felt compelled to raise issue of what happened at the vigil. As no one else did. Police said it was now going to subject to an inquiry.
In area like mine Brixton/ Loughborough Junction which is one of Englands and Lambeth most deprived areas crime and anti social behavior affects people directly. And its high. It is not that people just don't trust police. They want policing that responds to them. Not done to them.
the police are still violent now, dude.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
And again with the violent trigger response to a woman laughing.
“Why are you laughing, why are you laughing, why are you laughing in my face...?”
Gramsci
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Yes I know. Perhaps I didn't explain myself enough. Police actions at the vigil were them reverting to default mode of keeping "order".
Which someone of my somewhat aged generation saw a lot of in 80s.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
As an aside - I Googled the author, Mashal Iftikhar.The justification the Met is using is that its intervening to protect people's health. That is that its actions on that night are for the public good
Read this few days ago. Argues that putting police in position of protecting peoples health is a worrying use of state power.
Police Violence Does Not Protect Public Health
This weekend's crackdown on the Clapham vigil was justified on the basis it was defending public health – but police violence doesn't protect us from Covid-19, it undermines the whole pandemic response.tribunemag.co.uk
Its interesting article by a psychiatrist.
The defence by Met of their actions by using the protecting health line should be questioned.
The article argues that actions like this undermine confidence in public health strategies.
She wrote an interesting article three years back about sectarianism in Pakistan. The Beginner’s Guide to Religious Apartheid | Skin Deep
She is concerned about constitutional reforms such as the requirement to define Jesus in a Moslem way - leaving Christians open to attack for blasphemy.
She is also concerned - as a Sunni she says - that the Ahmadis continue to be persecuted with the backing of the constitution of Pakistan, and many are forced to emigrate.
A religious liberal then.
I find it hard to draw conclusions from her medical article though.
It seems likely that her view of the policing of an allegedly HIV positive black man nearly twenty years ago is not an easy stretch to a mass vigil round the Clapham Common bandstand. I could give several examples of hysterical policing - and hysterical GP surgery responses during the AIDS crisis.
I suspect this trainee psychiatrist is no more than 25 - so not likely to have been in a position to take note of the abuses she cited.
She may not even be aware of the death of Sean Rigg- a case where adequate psychiatric aftercare might not have led Sean to get fatally involved with the police.
Polemics can be satisfying - but Ms/Dr Ithikhar's one cited above actually throwas everything in but the kitchen sink.
Had she confined herself to making a couple lof clear points - as she did in her article about religious persecution in Pakistan I think it would have been better.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
They will have been waiting for the outcome of the trial. You can’t in legally sack someone until that process is over.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Got the cop thing of loudly (and falsely) commentating the Amazingly Heinous And Violent And Contrary To Section So-And-So Of The Whatever Act Thing Wot You Done To Me And Now I Am Allowed To Batter The Crap Out Of You But It's Just Reasonable Force Honest Guv (Wink Wink) down pat.
tony.c
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
From something I saw in one of the news articles, the police couldn't begin their investigation process until the case was complete, presumably to prevent the two somehow interfering with each other.
Which sounds fair, but equally often ends up as a smokescreen - "we can't comment as there is a trial/internal investigation underway".
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Yeah, but regardless of him being a cop, I mean.
He was just using whatever he had at his disposal. If he wasn't a copper he’d still react in some nasty and possibly violent way to a woman laughing at him.
I reckon.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
From the sounds of it he received the soft slap on the wrist on the basis he'd continue to be a police officer
Treacle Toes
Time
Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen the interview with Emma.
In the cctv video, I had wondered who was calling his name 'Ollie' and it seems that as the victim didn't know him it was the person/woman who came running across the road to stop him, possibly a neighbour.
Emma really nailed it when she reflected that he was acting like he was in a film, playing the role, pretending to be calling for back up etc. Just like spanglechick posted above. The fact she was able to find out who he is was in part helped by them being from such a small place. In somewhere like London that would have been much harder. Argh...I want to kick him in the nuts so bad.
Treacle Toes
Time
From the interview it's clear that he approached her as she was walking home and started harrassing her for no reason. 'Why are you following me you slag?' This wasn't just about her laughing, even if she did...he saw her as a target and attacked her. Just imagine if the neighbour hadn't came out and Emma hadn't been able to get away.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I do wonder if there might be a bit of a "boys will be boys" mindset in the police. After all, we've seen a steady trend in the direction of a more militarised, confrontational force, that probably has its roots in the riots of 1981, and/or the miners's strike, where wading in without worrying about the niceties is very much the order of the day. So, perhaps no surprise that the thuggish tendencies this oaf displayed are not taken nearly as seriously by the police as they should be - it's a necessary qualification for the job.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
years back I read that the police force (or rather all UK police forces) can be divided into police support units of 21 cops as they transition from dealing with your everyday crime (or committing it) to dealing with public order, whether they're public order trained or not. Think this had def happened by the time of the miners strike, will have to check. But yeh an excess of aggression unlikely to retard a career in the police
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tony bunyan, 'from saltley to orgreave via brixton', journal of law and society 12.3 (1985), p. 295
e2a: this is a really interesting article and i'll pop it up somewhere more appropriate
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
A strange coincidence...I wonder how often men are jailed for this? Man jailed after shouting abuse and threats at woman on south west London street
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Clapham vigil policing investigator is suing Home Office for sex and race bias
HM Inspector of Constabulary Matthew Parr claims that he faced discrimination for being a white man
Yes this is what was needed. Someone right up there in the investigation of the vigil who knows about discrimination and is prepared to act upon it.
A white man who is suing the home office for discrimination.
bimble
floofy
Strange coincidence because it was in Clapham? That’s not really much of a coincidence, if you think about it.
I’m surprised in a good way that what this man did has a name that makes it a criminal offence.
What’s described there is very much like the behaviour of someone who used to live on my street, before I moved. I did more than once think of contacting the police because he knew where I lived but I never did. It was frightening and happened every tine he saw me, but because he never hurt me physically (just shouted sexual abuse & threats) I didn’t know what to call it. Sometimes people in the shops where he’d do it if he saw me there would intervene but mostly they just pretended not to see.
It started from one day when he grabbed my arm whilst talking and I said please don’t do that, which made me his enemy.
Eta just remembered I did in the end call the police about it one time but what they did was offer to go round his knock on his door and tell him off and I didn’t want that thought it would make it worse/ dangerous.
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Gramsci
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Mayor Khan says he has confidence in Cressida Dick as head of Met even though he is not happy about how Met behaved at the the Vigil
www.standard.co.uk
This is looking like the line from the "sensible" Labour party under control of Starmer.
Lost for words here. Its redolent of the Orwellian New Labour speak I've got used to in Lambeth.
Mayor says he has confidence in Met boss after vigil policing fiasco
Sadiq Khan today said he does have confidence in Cressida Dick following a row over the policing of a vigil for Sarah Everard on Clapham Common.
www.standard.co.uk
This is looking like the line from the "sensible" Labour party under control of Starmer.
Lost for words here. Its redolent of the Orwellian New Labour speak I've got used to in Lambeth.
