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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

Gramsci said:
Mayor Khan says he has confidence in Cressida Dick as head of Met even though he is not happy about how Met behaved at the the Vigil

www.standard.co.uk

Mayor says he has confidence in Met boss after vigil policing fiasco

Sadiq Khan today said he does have confidence in Cressida Dick following a row over the policing of a vigil for Sarah Everard on Clapham Common.
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This is looking like the line from the "sensible" Labour party under control of Starmer.



Lost for words here. Its redolent of the Orwellian New Labour speak I've got used to in Lambeth.
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Yeh it's possible

But it's not a position anyone can seriously hold
 
A very disappointing result from the Court of Appeal, which is not going to change the ‘contact at all costs’ approach in the Family Court in cases of domestic violence, despite evidence the courts have a sexist approach that puts women at risk. This is especially disappointing as in the new DV Bill, children will be classed as victims in their own right, as opposed to mere ‘witnesses’. I appreciate this isn’t about women going missing but felt relevant for this thread given the wider conversations that have taken place:

www.womensaid.org.uk

Court of Appeal misses opportunity to effect culture change needed in family courts - Women’s Aid

Court of Appeal misses opportunity to effect culture change needed in family courts in what could have been a landmark case.
www.womensaid.org.uk www.womensaid.org.uk
 
www.theguardian.com

Sarah Everard vigil report strongly defends police's use of force

Inspectorate review says Met’s conduct was ‘absolutely right’, as senior officers demand apologies from politicians
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The report appears to rebuke critics, especially those in “positions of responsibility”. Matt Parr, Her Majesty’s inspector of constabulary, who led the inspection team, said: “Condemnation of the Met’s actions within mere hours of the vigil – including from people in positions of responsibility – was unwarranted, showed a lack of respect for public servants facing a complex situation, and undermined public confidence in policing based on very limited evidence.
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"Lack of respect for public servants'

I assume he is talking about my local Council leadership, my Labour MP and the Mayor as those in positions of responsibility.

These are hardly figures of the hard left.

The logic is that those elected to represent the people should not criticise those who run the state.

I thought democracy was partly supposed to be about holding "public servants" to account.
 
Lack of Respect for public servants.

That phrase really winds me up.

I've spent years having to deal with Council "public servants". Most of whom earn at least 4 times what I get. Why should I respect them?

I just try to deal with state bureaucracy in responsibly civilised way. But I'm not going to "respect" them.
 
Here is Cressida Dick on policing:

Being a police officer is perhaps not for absolutely everyone, but for people who join us and like it, they love it. As a police officer you get to help people, protect people, you get to keep society safe. You can have an incredibly rewarding, challenging, interesting and satisfying time, and there are so many different jobs that you can do as a police officer
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www.met.police.uk

Cressida Dick: honouring London’s policewomen

A profile of Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick, as part of our series celebrating 100 years of women policing in London.
www.met.police.uk www.met.police.uk

It sickens me that someone like this can get away with it twice ( ordering a Brazilian to be shot). The establishment always wins.
 
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bimble said:
Strange coincidence because it was in Clapham? That’s not really much of a coincidence, if you think about it.
I’m surprised in a good way that what this man did has a name that makes it a criminal offence.
What’s described there is very much like the behaviour of someone who used to live on my street, before I moved. I did more than once think of contacting the police because he knew where I lived but I never did. It was frightening and happened every tine he saw me, but because he never hurt me physically (just shouted sexual abuse & threats) I didn’t know what to call it. Sometimes people in the shops where he’d do it if he saw me there would intervene but mostly they just pretended not to see.
It started from one day when he grabbed my arm whilst talking and I said please don’t do that, which made me his enemy.

Eta just remembered I did in the end call the police about it one time but what they did was offer to go round his knock on his door and tell him off and I didn’t want that thought it would make it worse/ dangerous.
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How many women would even report such events as being followed? we all know there would be very little point.
 
I am so full of rage I hardly know where to begin. The Police has always attracted hateful, misogenistic men who like violence. Did the murderors colleagues not realise he was a pest to women or violent?

40+ years ago cops told women to stay home when the yorkshire ripper killed women like me in the north, then branded those killed as prostitutes or women of 'loose morals', then 39 years ago a bus full of cops leered and cat called 'hello darling' sort of shit at me. Rape is still not investigated or convicted. Women are still unsafe in their homes and well as on the streets. 2 women a week are mudered by their male partners. I see and hear misogeny everwhere and its so common place most men don't even recognise it, why would the policeforce recognise it in their own ranks?

I've seen very little lately to convince me that policemen have changed.

Sarah Everard RIP
 
David Clapson said:
It's difficult to make a decent police force out of the sort of people who want to be in it.
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Also difficult to make one out of the sort of people who don't want to be in it.

What we need is robots programmed with a randomiser that makes up crimes on the spot.
 
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It's difficult to make a decent police force out of the sort of people who want to be in it.
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That's not the problem. Never mind the people who want to join, the people who have joined, who comprise the present police force, make it impossible to have a decent force (and I'd say having a decent police force is a contradiction in terms anyway)
 
David Clapson said:
It's difficult to make a decent police force out of the sort of people who want to be in it.
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Raheem said:
Also difficult to make one out of the sort of people who don't want to be in it.

What we need is robots programmed with a randomiser that makes up crimes on the spot.
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I did find myself wondering what people who might be potentially considering a career in the police might be thinking after watching some of the footage from the demos. What worries me is that there will be those going "yeah, I'll have a bit of that - a punchup on a Saturday afternoon and no danger of getting arrested for it", vs the ones who are looking on in horror and thinking "that's not what I want to be a police officer for". With the consequential likelihood that the ones up for a ruck might be more inclined to apply than those are driven by more benign motives.
 
existentialist said:
I did find myself wondering what people who might be potentially considering a career in the police might be thinking after watching some of the footage from the demos. What worries me is that there will be those going "yeah, I'll have a bit of that - a punchup on a Saturday afternoon and no danger of getting arrested for it", vs the ones who are looking on in horror and thinking "that's not what I want to be a police officer for". With the consequential likelihood that the ones up for a ruck might be more inclined to apply than those are driven by more benign motives.
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Yes because that's the only types that want a career in the Police service?
And you talk about my reasoning?
lol - sit down.
 
existentialist said:
I did find myself wondering what people who might be potentially considering a career in the police might be thinking after watching some of the footage from the demos. What worries me is that there will be those going "yeah, I'll have a bit of that - a punchup on a Saturday afternoon and no danger of getting arrested for it", vs the ones who are looking on in horror and thinking "that's not what I want to be a police officer for". With the consequential likelihood that the ones up for a ruck might be more inclined to apply than those are driven by more benign motives.
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This, and also the footage of the police officer assaulting the woman using his police training...
 
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