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I'm sure given time you'll understand
RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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What does that even mean?
FWIW, I would be there myself, it's a cause I believe in - but well, we're in a pandemic.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
There we are then. You have exercised your freedom of choice. Jolly good.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Your presence may not have been welcome anyway
Unfortunately, the virus doesn't quite recognise freedom of choice
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what does it mean? It means I think you've not thought this thru. There are some things which demand a social response, a mass response. This murder is one of them, as were the police killings in America which prompted the BLM protests. It should not go unmarked. There are times to stand up and be counted and this is one of them. if there's a vigil within walking distance of me I'll attend it.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Can't we at least have a curfew on sex attackers? Forget about registers, tag them and keep them in at night.More great work by the judges today.
Not that prison is any kind of answer but on what the hell basis do they reckon he’s unlikely to attack another woman?
Dad who attacked woman walking home at night avoids jail 'as he would lose job'
Takeaway worker Javed Miah, 23, pulled the woman to the ground and molested her in Oldham, Greater Manchester, before fleeing after she managed to use the SOS function on her mobile phonewww.mirror.co.uk
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
What I don't think you recognise is that there is a calculus of risk here. To you, perhaps, the risk of Covid infection is the biggest priority...but perhaps, for thousands of women who have just had it very sharply brought home to them just how real their deepest fears are, catching Covid isn't the worst thing that can happen to them.
And why would your calculus of risk be otherwise? I imagine that you feel reasonable secure to be out and about after dark, and don't have to risk-assess every choice you make about how you live your life, in the way that many women feel the need to do.
I agree. I attended the BLM protests in London against Govt advice at the time. But back then I don't think people really understood as much as we do about this now. Anyway, I'm gonna step away from this thread now as I can see that in lieu of anyone else, I'm gonna get piled in on, so I'm out.
bimble
floofy
I didn’t realise that the political protest exemption that was there last summer isn’t there now, all of us being ‘tier 4’. Some useful bits in here:
www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk
Can I attend a protest during the Coronavirus Pandemic? - Liberty
www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk
Treacle Toes
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stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Your posts on the BLM threads at the time don't seem to give any indication of you having been down there, seems odd not to have mentioned it.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
BBC News now reporting two complaints of indecent exposure.
Treacle Toes
Time
Our lives depend on raising awareness. Just like they did with the BLM protests and awareness raising. You seem to be flip flopping and it's confusing me.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
"This incident was entirely out of character. He has a low risk of re-offending.''
Apparently despite the fact that he thought it was okay to grope a terrified stranger and only stopped when her rape alarm went off, he's very low risk and no one should worry.
Thora
Differently Ethical
It was just opportunistic - so literally nothing to worry about unless he ever has the opportunity of being near a woman again
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Reading the reporters twitter and his article it looks to me that the Met legal played a clever hand in front of the Judge
The Vigil organisers legal team said the ban was not taking account the Human Rights Act. That the Police had wrongly told the organisers there hands were tied and they had to ban the vigil.
When it came in front of a Judge the Met legal team said the Met had no blanket ban.
It sounds to me like the Met told the organisers there hands were tied. The Met legal team realised this would not go done well in front of Judge. So changed the story. Thus undermining the argument from the Vigil organisers legal team.
So as the journalist says in his BBC article:
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Sarah Everard vigil organisers lose court challenge
A High Court judge refuses to intervene in the action against the police ban on the event.
www.bbc.co.uk
Looks to me that the Met legal team decided to concede the point knowing that Cressida Dicks Met will not be seriously talking to the vigil organisers.
The Met have achieved their aim of disrupting the vigils taking place legally.
However in conceding that Met have no blanket ban it begs the question why the Met did not work out a deal with the organisers. Who were making efforts to organise a vigil that took the pandemic into consideration. A socially distanced vigil.
My view is that the police were worried about high profile campaign like the BLM protests.
Having a pandemic works in authorities favour in keeping a lid on protest.
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Tbh the cops should have turned a blind eye and let the event go ahead without commentReading the reporters twitter and his article it looks to me that the Met legal played a clever hand in front of the Judge
The Vigil organisers legal team said the ban was not taking account the Human Rights Act. That the Police had wrongly told the organisers there hands were tied and they had to ban the vigil.
When it came in front of a Judge the Met legal team said the Met had no blanket ban.
It sounds to me like the Met told the organisers there hands were tied. The Met legal team realised this would not go done well in front of Judge. So changed the story. Thus undermining the argument from the Vigil organisers legal team.
So as the journalist says in his BBC article:
."
Sarah Everard vigil organisers lose court challenge
A High Court judge refuses to intervene in the action against the police ban on the event.www.bbc.co.uk
Looks to me that the Met legal team decided to concede the point knowing that Cressida Dicks Met will not be seriously talking to the vigil organisers.
The Met have achieved their aim of disrupting the vigils taking place legally.
However in conceding that Met have no blanket ban it begs the question why the Met did not work out a deal with the organisers. Who were making efforts to organise a vigil that took the pandemic into consideration.
My view is that the police were worried about high profile campaign like the BLM protests.
Having a pandemic works in authorities favour in keeping a lid on protest.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
They can certainly turn a blind eye when it suits them
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
It sounds to me that the Judge said he could not directly interfere. But what was said in court by Met means that they conceded they did have discretion to allow a protest.
pesh
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
That’s gabi for you
Treacle Toes
Time
...as we were last year during the height of BLM which you say you participated in.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
In lieu of anyone else?
I know you said you were stepping away so maybe it isn't fair to quote & reply
But what the fuck?
It sounds and if you’re saying that all the people who are feeling exercised by the issue are just, y’know, up in arms with pitchforks waving and looking for any other random target.
This is not about you. This is about us.
If you feel that your personal safety trumps the safety of all women, then fuck off and be safe on your own over there somewhere.
Treacle Toes
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Petcha- I'm leaving this thread because I will be piled on.
Also Petcha- Here's some ridiculously stupid, dismissive, contradictory nonsense before I go so that I can make sure any responses to me meet my self pitying, imaginary prediction that I will be piled on.
Also Petcha- Here's some ridiculously stupid, dismissive, contradictory nonsense before I go so that I can make sure any responses to me meet my self pitying, imaginary prediction that I will be piled on.
kittyP
Pluviophile
I heard some old bloke talking on radio 4 when I was in the car this evening (I think it was Any Questions ), they were discussing this tragedy and he stated that statistically violence and sexual assault against women is lower in Roman Catholic countries like Italy and Poland...
I find this very hard to believe unless that are only including cases that actually go to court.
He then said that he didn't know what you can actually do with this information
I mean ffs
), they were discussing this tragedy and he stated that statistically violence and sexual assault against women is lower in Roman Catholic countries like Italy and Poland...I find this very hard to believe unless that are only including cases that actually go to court.
He then said that he didn't know what you can actually do with this information
I mean ffs
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
aaaaahhh! Have been wondering, ta
trashpony
Hag
He’s been charged with Sarah’s abduction and murder.
Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder
Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder
