RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[jakejb79]

Eek, you can tell these aren't experienced protest organisers. Sure, cancel it on paper to protect yourselves if you must, but no need to actively discourage people from going. Protests don't involve doing everything the police says.

One problem is most people don't know that a lot of protests that happen don't get police permission or are actively sabotaged by the police. The myth of freedom of assembly is still strong.

Also what happens to all the money they have raised?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Also what happens to all the money they have raised?

They'll use it to pay any fines they receive. Up to 32 vigils were confirmed around the country. They'll donate to women's charities/orgs.

 

[girasol]

Eek, you can tell these aren't experienced protest organisers. Sure, cancel it on paper to protect yourselves if you must, but no need to actively discourage people from going. Protests don't involve doing everything the police says.

One problem is most people don't know that a lot of protests that happen don't get police permission or are actively sabotaged by the police. The myth of freedom of assembly is still strong.

Also... It's a vigil, not a protest. Since when do people need permission to have a vigil? This has pissed me off enormously. I fancy a walk to the bandstand at 6pm, will I be arrested? Only one way to find out.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

"We were told that pressing ahead could risk a £10,000 fine each for each woman organising. Even if we came to this amazing community for help in meeting those costs, we think that this would be a poor use of our and your money. We do not want to see hundreds of thousands of pounds contributed to a system that consistently fails to keep women safe - either in public spaces or in the privacy of their homes. Women’s rights are too important."

Fair enough

 

[girasol]

"We were told that pressing ahead could risk a £10,000 fine each for each woman organising. Even if we came to this amazing community for help in meeting those costs, we think that this would be a poor use of our and your money. We do not want to see hundreds of thousands of pounds contributed to a system that consistently fails to keep women safe - either in public spaces or in the privacy of their homes. Women’s rights are too important."

Fair enough

Maybe reading between the lines: it's not an official protest anymore, so if people turn up they can't prosecute organisers, as they have officially cancelled it and advised people to stay home, this should be enough to exempt them from fines if people turn up, right?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Indeed. they are disassociated, and have not wasted their money. People can still go.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

The organisers might have to go undercover

 

[Nanker Phelge]

The main thing is to not let it become a protest about protesting now.

 

[Manter]

I haven't read this thread, but just watching this on C4 news. I'm honestly not sure how this group could think a mass gathering during the pandemic could or should be allowed, whatever the cause?

Cheltenham, BLM, anti lockdown, anti vaccine, pro Brexit, Celtic.....

 

[Pickman's model]

Cheltenham, BLM, anti lockdown, anti vaccine, pro Brexit, Celtic.....

Rangers

 

[Manter]

BBC News now reporting two complaints of indecent exposure.

They always have previous. It’s getting boring. Believe us, take action, stop it the first time. Why do the police find that so very hard to understand?

 

[Manter]

Rangers

Fair enough

 

[muscovyduck]

They always have previous. It’s getting boring. Believe us, take action, stop it the first time. Why do the police find that so very hard to understand?

Sometimes people put a lot of energy into not understanding something

 

[Manter]

I imagine that there's nothing to stop significant numbers of small, socially distanced groups of people going anyway?

I wonder what it must be like for policemen and women to find themselves having to suppress a vigil that, in all likelihood, many of them will support?

Will they? I mean, why are we giving them the benefit of the doubt at this stage? A rotten apple spoils the barrel

 

[Manter]

Eek, you can tell these aren't experienced protest organisers. Sure, cancel it on paper to protect yourselves if you must, but no need to actively discourage people from going. Protests don't involve doing everything the police says.

One problem is most people don't know that a lot of protests that happen don't get police permission or are actively sabotaged by the police. The myth of freedom of assembly is still strong.

No, they are ordinary, local south London women. That’s the point

 

[Pickman's model]

Will they? I mean, why are we giving them the benefit of the doubt at this stage? A rotten apple spoils the barrel

The barrel's been rotten for years and leaking putrescent juice has fucked up all the other barrels in the cop cellar

 

[Pickman's model]

Eek, you can tell these aren't experienced protest organisers. Sure, cancel it on paper to protect yourselves if you must, but no need to actively discourage people from going. Protests don't involve doing everything the police says.

One problem is most people don't know that a lot of protests that happen don't get police permission or are actively sabotaged by the police. The myth of freedom of assembly is still strong.

Yeh leave it to the professionals

 

[Manter]

The barrel's been rotten for years and leaking putrescent juice has fucked up all the other barrels in the cop cellar

Yes. I’ve seen some pretty shocking things, I’ve got the every-woman litany of ‘and the police did nothing’ stories but my instinct has always still been to call them, to report etc. I do wonder why.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. I’ve seen some pretty shocking things, I’ve got the every-woman litany of ‘and the police did nothing’ stories but my instinct has always still been to call them, to report etc. I do wonder why.

The problem is the police do nothing when they should do something and they do something when they should do nothing

 

[wtfftw]

The problem is the police do nothing when they should do something and they do something when they should do nothing

And on the occasion that they do something when they should be doing something they do completely the wrong thing. Not fit for our purposes.

 

[Gramsci]

The organisers of the vigil could have said go ahead anyway - this would have put the police on the spot.

But risking heavy fines is not to treated lightly.

I'm sure a lot of I individual police would support a vigil and not be happy with arresting people for attending. It reminds me I read Vitales The End of Policing recently. He pointed out that liberal argument that police can be reformed by getting more women or BAME in the top does not work.

The historical foundation of policing in UK and USA was to keep people in line. When faced with dissent it reverts to its core reason for being as an institution. Regardless of who is in the top jobs. Or what individual officers think.

What has happened over the vigil is example of this.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[ash]

Rangers

We won’t by jumping up and down and hugging each other

 

[Nanker Phelge]

loads of coppers are thick as fuck over so much.

One tried to have a go at me for wearing an anti-nazi badge cos he clocked a swastika on it. He didn't know what it was at all.

I wasn't pulled for the badge, but they wanted to make a thing of it on a platform at Blackfriars....

(they had to let me walk in the end, fucking idiots!)

 

[xsunnysuex]

Don't know if it's been posted here already. But Sarah was found in a large builder's bag. And was identified by dental records.
That poor girl. Wtf did he do to her.

 

[editor]

Just arriving at the park. There's loads of people here.

 

[stethoscope]

Live stream from Clapham...

 

[killer b]

Live stream from Clapham...

jesus the chat though.

 

[Orang Utan]

Just arriving at the park. There's loads of people here.

Are men supposed to be there?

 

[editor]