bimble
floofy
Yeah pro Israel but look at the ‘beliefs’ page on their site, it’s got all the ‘cultural marxism’ degenerate Frankfurt school etc. What a mess.
Reports that SWP bookshop Bookmarks attacked
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and......
bimble
floofy
Just think its interesting where things are at with all that. Agree with you they are not what ralph is suggesting.
Your right. I was assuming that the differences were all face value(for no good reason
) but there is genuine splits. That`s good.
*calms down a bit
) but there is genuine splits. That`s good.*calms down a bit
hot air baboon
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I thought the whole point of the "Alt-Right" as opposed to the previous brand was that it was "pro-Isreal" - even fucking Breivik was pro-Israel & made disobliging comments on "National Socialists" iirc ( still not got round to reading the 1,500 page manifesto tbh )
Richard Spencer is simply the latest far-right extremist to laud Israel as a white 'ethno-state' model
Richard Spencer is simply the latest far-right extremist to laud Israel as a white 'ethno-state' model
Fozzie Bear
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I think it's certainly worth differentiating between opportunistic harassment and planned attacks, but both are serious.
I mean, firebombing Freedom bookshop in 2013 is clearly in another category from the weekend's excitements.
I think both of these types of things have always happened and it's good to know the difference between them.
For example there is an account (I think in this book, which is great) of a bunch of inebriated skinheads coming into Centerprise one afternoon and destroying some of the stock, intimidating the staff and pissing on the floor. So that's "opportunistic harassment".
Whereas from what I can remember Combat 18 organised planned attacks on Freedom in the 90s and also a sustained campaign of harassment on the 121 Centre including writing letters which indicated that they had followed some of the people who worked there home?
Whilst filming the Bookmarks intervention was pretty stupid, it's only to be expected - the alt- and far- right seem motivated by Youtube hits more than almost anything else.
I mean, firebombing Freedom bookshop in 2013 is clearly in another category from the weekend's excitements.
I think both of these types of things have always happened and it's good to know the difference between them.
For example there is an account (I think in this book, which is great) of a bunch of inebriated skinheads coming into Centerprise one afternoon and destroying some of the stock, intimidating the staff and pissing on the floor. So that's "opportunistic harassment".
Whereas from what I can remember Combat 18 organised planned attacks on Freedom in the 90s and also a sustained campaign of harassment on the 121 Centre including writing letters which indicated that they had followed some of the people who worked there home?
Whilst filming the Bookmarks intervention was pretty stupid, it's only to be expected - the alt- and far- right seem motivated by Youtube hits more than almost anything else.
Fascism is like putty though... it`s meme is adapted to the ideology of the consumer. The meme is not believed by those who initially deploy it. I do suspect the Tea party. I should probably back this up though... i`ll just follow this rabbit down this hole.
Richard Spencer`s tweet said:
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Fozzie Bear
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I don't think coherence and consistency is something the alt-right prioritise. As well as cultural marxism etc I assume there is also overlap with bonkers conspiracy theories, the Protocols etc. As with the EDL, the opposition to anti-semitism is just a flag of convenience for anti-Islam sentiment as far as I can tell. (And a way of bashing their caricature of the left).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Precisely. It's as deep as "that's your side so this is our side".
Fozzie Bear
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Also, this just in:
Bookmarks bookshop in Bloomsbury, central London, has called on supporters to attend a solidarity event following an attack by far right thugs.
Twelve men invaded the shop last Saturday, destroying displays, wrecking books and chanting Alt-right slogans. One was wearing a Donald Trump mask.
Bookmarks is holding a solidarity event in the shop on Saturday 11 August from 2pm. Throughout the afternoon there will author readings as well as speakers from the trade union and labour movement.
Bookmarks is also calling on supporters to donate funds to help bolster security in the shop and to replace lost stock. Donations can be transferred to: Sort Code: [nope] A/c: [nope]
Bookmarks solidarity event
Bookmarks bookshop in Bloomsbury, central London, has called on supporters to attend a solidarity event following an attack by far right thugs.
Twelve men invaded the shop last Saturday, destroying displays, wrecking books and chanting Alt-right slogans. One was wearing a Donald Trump mask.
Bookmarks is holding a solidarity event in the shop on Saturday 11 August from 2pm. Throughout the afternoon there will author readings as well as speakers from the trade union and labour movement.
Bookmarks is also calling on supporters to donate funds to help bolster security in the shop and to replace lost stock. Donations can be transferred to: Sort Code: [nope] A/c: [nope]
Bookmarks solidarity event
hot air baboon
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I think there's deeper overlap though - with the extreme right in Israel - Netanyahu's son posting alt-right memes etc
Yair Netanyahu exposes Israel’s own version of the ‘alt-right’
Yair Netanyahu exposes Israel’s own version of the ‘alt-right’
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
bimble
floofy
I've been idly wondering that for years, its been there as long as i can remember. They must have it rent free else couldn't survive at 1 bloomsbury place surely? Not really the time for this though.
Fozzie Bear
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Bookmarks was previously in Finsbury Park, I think until the late 90s?
As has been pointed out upthread, the shop isn't a traditional business and I assume is subsidised by other things.
Not that there is anything wrong with that - I doubt that 56A Infoshop, Freedom Books or Housmans manage to survive purely through book sales.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I know that Bookmarks is overall a profit making side of the SWP, or used to be.
Don't know anything about the status of the shop itself .
Fozzie Bear
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Needless to say, my solidarity with them doesn't extend to giving them money although I have bought things from them in the past.
They were my nearest local stockist of Red Action and Fighting Talk in the 1990s for example.
They were my nearest local stockist of Red Action and Fighting Talk in the 1990s for example.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The SWP have always cross-subsidised their various businesses at various times depending upon which was in profit at that moment. Everything has subsidised everything else, at some point, I think. And has been so subsidised. Bookmarks (wheter the publishing company or the bookshop) generally did quite well, afair. They've always had a supporters bookclub type affair too, which brought in a reasonable income.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
For harder knobs -
1) no one on door
2) One bloke on counter +maybe reluctant bloke in storeroom
3) No immediate personal security
4) No wider help in immediate area - within like 15 minutes.
The last one i find most surprising.
This is what the emboldened types will be looking at.
1) no one on door
2) One bloke on counter +maybe reluctant bloke in storeroom
3) No immediate personal security
4) No wider help in immediate area - within like 15 minutes.
The last one i find most surprising.
This is what the emboldened types will be looking at.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
PaulOK
Robin DiAngelo is my co-pilot
The SWP has issues for sure but money has never been one of them.
They have well healed upper class supporters/members in academia who give generously. They get substantial bequests from wills (most of their members now are knocking on a bit to put it mildly), and their printing company was sold for a substantial amount. The split from their US branch (ISO) was couched in political terms (about Seattle etc.). It was actually more about who got their hands on an enormous bequest. Maybe describing them as "loaded" is going too far but money wise they are doing fine thank you very much.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The swp got problems and money is always one.
A Craption as they used to say back in the day. Something broadly in line with your philosophy but cringe inducing.
Recent examples might include masked up accosting of Jacob Rees Mogg or hassling Nigel Garage in a pub.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh right
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Thought you'd pop up to have a pop
What's a bookshop / social centre to do though? If you're open to the public in any meaningful way this is a risk you have to run.
PaulOK
Robin DiAngelo is my co-pilot
I am devastated that you don't like me
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