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This, but the two major pieces of firearms legislation over here were both passed as a direct result of spree killings.
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This, but the two major pieces of firearms legislation over here were both passed as a direct result of spree killings.
The Pistols Act of 1903 was hardly minor. It established the malignant principle that the state has the right to limit the individual's right to self defense.
But more significant was the motive behind British gun prohibition, which was to disarm the peope and make collective self defense against state power impossible. The USA is rightly determined never to go down that path, and the second amendment is among the most potent guarantors of liberty.
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bi0boy
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Like the people are ever going to fight the army with pistols and win.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Are we somehow less free in the UK because we can't go around with assault weapons slung over our shoulders? What sort of liberty are we likely to lose because of our gun legislation?
Casually Red
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Lousy shot ?
Yes.
Individual self-defense against aggression, collective self-defense against tyranny. Arm the people.
If the Spanish Republic had armed the people when it had the chance, it would never have been defeated. The first thing tyrants (eg Hitler) do is disarm the people, the first thing liberators (eg Castro) do is arm them.
Those countries with the most restrictive gun laws (eg Jamaica) have the most gun crime. Those countries where everyone legally has a gun (eg Switzerland) have the least gun crime.
The obvious exception is the USA, but even there, those states with the most restrictive gun laws (eg New York) have the most gun crime, while those with the least restrictive (eg Arizona) have the least.
And so on. In spite of the emotional arguments of anti-gun fanatics, the evidence clearly shows that legal gun ownership reduces crime and prevents tyranny.
If I remember rightly, the argument for not supplying weapons to the communist bits of the French resistance went something like this:
Everyone can get hold of a knife. If you can get a knife, you can take a gun. If you can take a gun, you can take a car. If you can take a car, you can block a road. If you can block a road, you can stop a tank and take it.
The trouble was that it assumed eveyone was quick, strong, ruthless, well-trained, and had no problem using a knife as an effective weapon in the first place. What happened on the ground was that a lot of people died, but some resorted to homemade explosives and contented themselves with guerilla tactics to disrupt infrastructure.
That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
Was pretty much the reaction of people on the ground at the time. 'Euh - 'ave I misunderstood? You want me to tek my country back, but using just whatever my bare 'ands can get? Perfid con Anglais!'
Hence the high mortality rate and resorting to kitchenmade explosives. One of the survivors showed how it was done and how they were carried to the targets, on film (several years later).
weltweit
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That is bollocks, firstly, Britain has much more restrictive gun laws than the USA and we have a tiny fraction of the gun crime they have. Also secondly, Canada has about as many guns as the US yet they also have a fraction of the gun crime the USA has.
In Britain 35 people a year are killed in gun related incidents, in the USA 88 people are killed every day!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're missing the point.
A person with a pistol can kill an enemy that has a rifle - they now have a pistol and a rifle, and so on up the hardware chain. Also, insurgents don't need to "win". It's nota required part of insurgent/guerilla strategy. All they need to do is keep the occupiers occupied, and they achieve their goal.
Exactly my point. From that it follows that gun crime in the USA must have some other cause than legal gun ownership.
High mortality rate though. It takes a lot of surplus untrained manpower to successfully go up against somebody who's not only better armed but better trained and more experienced.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The Congressional Research Service put the number of civilian firearms ownership in the United States at 310 million back in 2009: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns. I am not sure there are the same number of guns in Canada, which has a population of 35m, compared to the US population of a bit more than 300m. Assuming your claim is correct, why do you think the Canadians need to be so heavily armed?
Casually Red
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Iirc there were persistent rumours the powers that be didn't want the communists to be too strong . There were also rumours that certain communist units waiting for supply drops would suspiciously be ambushed by the nazis, almost as if someone had tipped them off . Deemed laughable by many I'm sure , but the fact is when the British army strolled into Greece in 1944 they almost immediately set about slaughtering the communist partisans who'd liberated it and welcomed them in . After persuading most of them to hand their guns in first .
Credible rumours at that, given that non communist bits of the French resistance were better supplied etc from the UK.
Casually Red
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In my view what's at the root of the American problem is the individualism which is embedded in its culture . Which leads to personal alienation and a lack of empathy with others . Also it's Darwinian worship of " winners " and " success " . Which leads to a preponderance of alienated "losers" with a grudge against society who feel they've nothing to live for and want to make a point . Look what happened in china when that started creeping into their culture . Alienated loons went on stabbing sprees in kids playgrounds and railway stations .
The aggression embedded within their brand of capitalism bleeds into society . Add guns to that mix and you've got problems .
firearms are embedded in the culture of countries across Southern Europe and elsewhere and you don't get these types of problems on anywhere near the same scale .
Culturally America is just way too aggressive . Even the cops resemble paramilitary armies . It's not guns which are the problem but the attitude of the wankers behind them .
The aggression embedded within their brand of capitalism bleeds into society . Add guns to that mix and you've got problems .
firearms are embedded in the culture of countries across Southern Europe and elsewhere and you don't get these types of problems on anywhere near the same scale .
Culturally America is just way too aggressive . Even the cops resemble paramilitary armies . It's not guns which are the problem but the attitude of the wankers behind them .
Pickman's model
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emanymton
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You keep dodging out if the way?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what, you think there are 114,000,000 handguns, 110,000,000 rifles and 86,000,000 shotguns in canada? you think there's 9 firearms per person in canada?
What are you on about now, weirdo?
weltweit
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Not much to respond to Pickers, you have pointed out that the Canadian population is quite small which I was unaware of so they can't have as many guns in total as the US, but they undoubtedly have some level of guns per head of population, (possibly more hunting rifles but I think also handguns) more so for example than the UK has and I am pretty sure there level of gun crime to population is smaller by a long way than the USA, so the point might be interesting to know what level of guns per population Canada, the USA and the UK have and then to compare that to gun deaths in each.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you agree here that canada has the same number of guns in circulation as the united states.
No I do not. Idiot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but it was "exactly [your] point" that there were the same number of guns in circulation yet a fraction of the gun crime in canada. only one idiot here, dwyer, and it's you.
No fool, that was not my point. Nor did I say it was. Time for you to leave the thread.
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