Reporter and cameraman shot dead during live TV interview in Virginia
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you did say it, phil.
The pertinent factor would be how many legal guns each country has per head.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you say that now...
Calm down Pickman's. If you have something to say, do so in a way that other people can understand.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i am calm. i am simply pointing out some unseemly after the event shuffling of your position despite the quoted evidence of your stance. that is, you're lying about what you've said. it's not the first time: and i doubt it will be the last.
What are you talking about? You're running around in circles here.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i am not running around in circles. i have stated your error clearly above, but your failure to understand this simple point shows you to be a fool. and like a fool you return to your folly like a dog to its vomit. i see no point in continuing to restate the point, as you are so obviously incapable of understanding it.
No-one is capable of understanding it. You're not making sense.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Anyway, leaving Pickmansland and returning to reality.
The argument for legal gun ownership does not only depend on the fact that it reduces crime. More significantly, it gives the people the means to resist tyranny--either internal or external. That's why, in Cuba for example, this is a very common sight:
The argument for legal gun ownership does not only depend on the fact that it reduces crime. More significantly, it gives the people the means to resist tyranny--either internal or external. That's why, in Cuba for example, this is a very common sight:
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
people posting small pictures of a kiosk?Anyway, leaving Pickmansland and returning to reality.
The argument for legal gun ownership does not only depend on the fact that it reduces crime. More significantly, it gives the people the means to resist tyranny--either internal or external. That's why, in Cuba for example, this is a very common sight:
What are you on about now?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Individualism and guns are a potent mix. That and flags and uber patriotism. Very dangerous stuff.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Anyway, leaving Pickmansland and returning to reality.
The argument for legal gun ownership does not only depend on the fact that it reduces crime. More significantly, it gives the people the means to resist tyranny--either internal or external. That's why, in Cuba for example, this is a very common sight:
How would a few ak47's stop America deciding to liberate the shit out of cuba if it wanted to? militias just get workers dead.
Does the term "Bay of Pigs" ring any bells?
A population armed with assault rifles can make life unpleasant enough for an aggressor to be an effective deterrent.
gosub
~#
So...People in the US have to put with extraordinary levels of gun crime, because if they weren't armed America might invade
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Wasn't the US in full have some freedom on us was it? No it really doesn't Iraq handed them out to everyone and suicide vests. vests got dumped and rifle could be had for $35. Now if he could have convinced people to fight for him it might have been different as it was.
The evidence suggests that legal gun ownership deters gun crime.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the second lesson of militia club is never fight a tank in the open
How would a few ak47's stop America deciding to liberate the shit out of cuba if it wanted to? militias just get workers dead.
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
dwyer, Cuba is NOT the place or the example for pushing your NRA-lite agenda.
1) Legal gun possession in Cuba is vanishingly low, as it is limited to farmers who have valuable livestock and live far from any village. Otherwise, nobody at all is allowed to own,license or carry a gun.
2) the kiosk you illustrate is a low-tech Cuban sideshow game, nothing more, despite the 'inspirational' Fidel quote.
3) Cubans face both internal AND external tyranny now (an era where guns are outlawed), just as they did during the time of Batista (when guns were very common). There are places like Somalia, Albania, etc, which are absolutely awash with guns (legal or not) and where there's no working government, but still plenty of tyranny for the average civilian. your points are so incoherent they don't even stand up on their own terms.
1) Legal gun possession in Cuba is vanishingly low, as it is limited to farmers who have valuable livestock and live far from any village. Otherwise, nobody at all is allowed to own,license or carry a gun.
2) the kiosk you illustrate is a low-tech Cuban sideshow game, nothing more, despite the 'inspirational' Fidel quote.
3) Cubans face both internal AND external tyranny now (an era where guns are outlawed), just as they did during the time of Batista (when guns were very common). There are places like Somalia, Albania, etc, which are absolutely awash with guns (legal or not) and where there's no working government, but still plenty of tyranny for the average civilian. your points are so incoherent they don't even stand up on their own terms.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Perhaps you can link to some?
See post 189.
gosub
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No. No, it doesn't.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Post 189 is just you pontificating, I don't call that evidence.
"Castro, well-aware at the foreign plots to bring down the Cuban revolution, “universally armed all of its workers, including women, for the defense of their country,” according to the Cuba History Archive.
Castro put it this way in a 1960 speech entitled ‘Establishing Revolutionary Vigilance in Cuba‘. After a bomb went off nearby the place he was speaking, Castro defiantly proclaimed, “For every little bomb the imperialists pay for, we arm at least 1,000 militiamen!” His words received thunderous applause.
To best exercise the right to bear arms collectively in defense of the revolution, the Cuban people organized themselves and formed popular citizens militias to defend themselves and the revolution, which was immediately under attack. After US planes bombed three Cuban sugar mills in October 1959, “Cubans form[ed] a popular militia” to rebuild. By September 1960, the CIA was funding rogue forces within Cuba to sabotage industry and stage terrorist attacks aimed at bringing down Castro’s government. The people responded in the form of popular citizens militias again, who promptly put down the imperialist-instigated unrest.
From the same speech, Castro described the role of these militias, which would later go on to form the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution, as follows:
“The imperialists and their lackeys will not be able to make a move. They are dealing with the people, and they do not know yet the tremendous revolutionary power of the people. Therefore, new steps must be taken in the organization of the militia. Militia battalions will be created throughout Cuba. Each man for each weapon will be selected. A structure will be given to the entire mass of militiamen so that as soon as possible our combat units will be perfectly formed and trained.”"
Castro Didn't "Take The Guns", Alex Jones: Guns & Socialism
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this doesn't in fact address the point that you wish to advance, namely that legal gun ownership deters gun crime. for a start, i don't suppose that any of the cubans owned a gun although they may have carried one, in the same way guns in the british army belong to the british army and not to the soldier who carries them.
gosub
~#
See post 205.
You may not call it evidence, but that's what it is.
Jamaica: strict gun control, massive gun crime.
Switzerland: everyone has a gun legally, very low gun crime.
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
Oh dwyer. C & P from Alex Jones, to rebut lived experience of someone who's spent years actually LIVING in Cuba within the last decade (i.e me?)
All of those incidents describe guns HELD AND CONTROLLED BY THE CUBAN MILITARY, not kept in civilian homes. And those guns were taken back after the Bay of Pigs incident. I repeat, you will not find anyone in Cuba today with a legally-held private firearm other than those remote farmers who are allowed weapons to shoot at rustlers. There are plenty of soldiers and police who have guns. And nobody, I repeat nobody, else.
All of those incidents describe guns HELD AND CONTROLLED BY THE CUBAN MILITARY, not kept in civilian homes. And those guns were taken back after the Bay of Pigs incident. I repeat, you will not find anyone in Cuba today with a legally-held private firearm other than those remote farmers who are allowed weapons to shoot at rustlers. There are plenty of soldiers and police who have guns. And nobody, I repeat nobody, else.
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