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Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry

spanglechick said:
As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?
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This still seems like a an important question. I do remember after the savile avalanche of complaints there were a few cases where victims of non-sleb nonces were emboldened and came forwarded to bring their own abusers to court. Not going off anything systematic, just press reports of people who reported their father/scoutmaster/teacher/whoever. Not sure if something similar will happen after the Hollywood abuse thing. :(
 
Wilf said:
This still seems like a an important question. I do remember after the savile avalanche of complaints there were a few cases where victims of non-sleb nonces were emboldened and came forwarded to bring their own abusers to court. Not going off anything systematic, just press reports of people who reported their father/scoutmaster/teacher/whoever. Not sure if something similar will happen after the Hollywood abuse thing. :(
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I know I've made that point a few times recently but I don't think I made it strongly enough - there were not a few non-celeb cases, there were shitloads. And for all the ones that went to court there were loads more that didn't proceed due to poor health of the accused, which is what happened in the case of someone I know. The person I know wasn't the only victim that came forwards in that case either, which again demonstrates how many people were prepared to come forwards despite a long, long time had passed.

edited to add some actual numbers - I haven't found really great detail and I'm afraid this is a shitty Daily Mail story that has some unpleasant and potentially misleading aspects but it's all I've got time to find right now: HALF of all criminal cases now involve sex abuse charges | Daily Mail Online
 
Aggressive predatory sexual behaviour goes on in all industries. Jodi Kantor, a New York Times journalist who helped break the Weinstein story says it's also rife in venture capitalism and silicon valley. VC's demanding sex from employees of start-ups in return for investment. Not so well reported as no household names are involved but there have been a couple of high profile resignations.
 
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Casual Observer said:
Aggressive predatory sexual behaviour goes on in all industries. Jodi Kantor, a New York Times journalist who helped break the Weinstein story says it's also rife in venture capitalism and silicon valley. VC's demanding sex from employees of start-ups in return for investment. Not so well reported as no household names are involved but there have been a couple of high profile resignations.
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Yes. Uber was probably the most high-profile example of that so far. And Robert Scoble, who used to get the occasional mention/groan around here, especially at the peak of his Glasshole days.
 
D'wards said:
I do feel for Lena Dunham.

On one hand if someone very close to you is accused of a heinous act, and you are almost certain they are innocent I believe you have to stand by that person, for as Bruce Springsteen said "man turns his back on his family, well he just ain't no good".

On the other hand, she is at the vanguard of the fourth wave of feminism and has espoused the view that if a woman accuses a man of something she is always telling the truth.

Has anyone ever been stuck more between a rock and a hard place?
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Lena Dunham who admitted to abusing her little sister sexually?

I'm pretty sure she's the vanguard of fuck all except disappearing up her own arse.
 
Morgan Spurlock has misunderstood 'Me Too' and outted himself.

This is either damage limitation. Confessing before he's outed.

Or a really desperate attempt for publicity.
Morgan Spurlock Who?
You know the Supersize me guy.
Um vaguely.

Or genuine recognition that he's part of the problem and an act of contrition.

Which do we think it is?

He got the 'I was abused' excuse in I see. Does that lessen his apology?
 
Gromit said:
Morgan Spurlock has misunderstood 'Me Too' and outted himself.

This is either damage limitation. Confessing before he's outed.

Or a really desperate attempt for publicity.
Morgan Spurlock Who?
You know the Supersize me guy.
Um vaguely.

Or genuine recognition that he's part of the problem and an act of contrition.

Which do we think it is?

He got the 'I was abused' excuse in I see. Does that lessen his apology?
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Saw that and that he got in that he had 'drinking problem' as part of his defence. I actually liked Supersize me, thought it did a good job of combining his own McD eating with telling the story of fast food. Anyway, fuck him.
 
Eliza Dushku has named a stunt performer / co-ordinator (who she worked with on True Lies) as molesting her when she was 12 - https://decider.com/2018/01/13/eliza-dushku-says-she-was-sexually-molested-on-the-set-of-true-lies/

What's perhaps most revealing is that soon after Dushku told an on-set guardian about the abuse (corroborated here), the stuntman was confronted and days later Dushku was injured during a stunt he was responsible for, breaking her ribs.

So she told both family members and people involved in the production (an exec producer apparently) and not only was nothing done, but she could have been killed as a result of speaking out.

Shocking stuff.
 
This is interesting. Atwood is a great writer, and is worth listening to. And by dint of being a great writer has done a lot for feminism, imho.

It must be annoying for her to be attacked by these social media feminists when she has been at the coal face for decades. Have some flipping respect.

Margaret Atwood faces feminist backlash on social media over #MeToo

Margaret Atwood faces feminist backlash on social media over #MeToo
 
D'wards said:
This is interesting. Atwood is a great writer, and is worth listening to. And by dint of being a great writer has done a lot for feminism, imho.

It must be annoying for her to be attacked by these social media feminists when she has been at the coal face for decades. Have some flipping respect.

Margaret Atwood faces feminist backlash on social media over #MeToo

Margaret Atwood faces feminist backlash on social media over #MeToo
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She's made the mistake of trying to say something nuanced. I don't see about how her concerns about due process and the dangers of a slide towards mass media mob justice have to be seen as antithetical to concern for survivors of abuse.

Atwood's writing has always shown a huge depth of compassion and understanding for the abuses women suffer. In fact I can't think of another writer of fiction who is able to tell women's stories in a way that's so moving and honest and yet so free of hollow pity or sentimentality. She's also someone who sees patterns, who is able to show us where we might end up if we follow certain paths. It's hard to dismiss her fears that one dysfunctional system could easily be replaced by something worse, something even less coherent and more open to abuse, if people aren't thinking about where we actually want to get to and how we can get there.
 
Not disputing the thrust of that but to be strictly accurate I don't think she was his adopted daughter rather the adopted daughter of his partner.
 
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