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editor said:
Ah here we go with the ad hominens, courtesy of a thread from six fucking years ago being dug up to 'prove' some piss weak point.

Is not having a problem with female commentators but preferring a male voice for male TV football commentary sexist then?
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Yes

I generally prefer female singers to male singers. Is that sexist too?
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Changing the subject!
 
1927 said:
What has wages got to do with class?
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That, though valid could lead to a long and done to death urban derail. In the end though, it is hard to see how earning 100 times average salary in a fifteen year career span will not differentiate thinking from Joe Soap.
 
gosub said:
That, though valid could lead to a long and done to death urban derail. In the end though, it is hard to see how earning 100 times average salary in a fifteen year career span will not differentiate thinking from Joe Soap.
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obviously it does affect his thinking but his background, friends, relatives all affect him too.
 
I don't under stand why Barton shouldn't be on panel, it smacks of political snobbery.

On a more serious note, it is the attitude towards Barton on this thread, a person who probably is more in touch with the average Joe than the usual panellists, that has caused the popularity of UKIP.

Like if or not, the average poster on these boards is not ya average Joe Uk citizen, there is a largish majority of the working class in this country, who you may wish were all right wing, but are actually fed up with mass immigration, the main parties are too scared to engage with these people, hence the popularity of UKIP.

Joey Barton despite his high wages is ya average joe, but by refusing to take his pov seriously there is a danger of missing the point, IMHO.
 
gosub said:
That, though valid could lead to a long and done to death urban derail. In the end though, it is hard to see how earning 100 times average salary in a fifteen year career span will not differentiate thinking from Joe Soap.
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Nature and nurture innit. I'm think he is still pretty down to earth.
 
chilango said:
I still didn't watch QT.

...but what is mildly interesting/amusing is the prospect of the LibDems trying to cause a stink about not being invited on.
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Defend by attacking, they can hardly say "thank god, those of us left are getting ground down by all this humiliation."
 
SpineyNorman said:
what's TTIP? :confused:
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SpineyNorman said:
what's TTIP? :confused:
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Now you've been told what TTIP is, ask yourself why someone with a clear interest in politics didn't know about agreements whereby corporations can take governments to secret arbetration for billions if they think policy will effect their profits.

Weren't you having a go at me on another thread for citing the power of media (?) -maybe not, it was the UKIP thread anyway.

Point is that the media has as much power in what they do discuss as what they don't. See also: Privatisation of NHS.
 
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1927 said:
Nature and nurture innit. I'm think he is still pretty down to earth.
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Damn sight more human than a hedge fund manager of whom you could make the same critique. The hedge fund manager would probably have more impact on my life though, (i don't watch footie), its stilll tall poppies talking down to us.
 
1927 said:
I don't under stand why Barton shouldn't be on panel, it smacks of political snobbery.

On a more serious note, it is the attitude towards Barton on this thread, a person who probably is more in touch with the average Joe than the usual panellists, that has caused the popularity of UKIP.

Like if or not, the average poster on these boards is not ya average Joe Uk citizen, there is a largish majority of the working class in this country, who you may wish were all right wing, but are actually fed up with mass immigration, the main parties are too scared to engage with these people, hence the popularity of UKIP.

Joey Barton despite his high wages is ya average joe, but by refusing to take his pov seriously there is a danger of missing the point, IMHO.
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On the Left Unity website, nearly every status is now about UKIP, they seem to be going down the uber hysteria road of the SWP, etc.
 
gosub said:
Damn sight more human than a hedge fund manager of whom you could make the same critique. The hedge fund manager would probably have more impact on my life though, (i don't watch footie), its stilll tall poppies talking down to us.
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But the fact he is a footballer is irrelevant! He is the man on the street who needs to be persuaded not to go down the UKIP route and the main parties don't see it.
 
1927 said:
But the fact he is a footballer is irrelevant! He is the man on the street who needs to be persuaded not to go down the UKIP route and the main parties don't see it.
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Its now really complicated: you mean the anti immigration bit of UKIP, then he's great person to put forward everybody gets he is in international competition for his job, and I presume flourishing. Or the anti EU bit cos its not the man on the street who needs it explained that UKIP dissapates after the EU issue gets a plebicite
 
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Don't really understand all this 'Barton shouldn't be on the panel' stuff. Why not?

I'd like to see more people outside of the party political milieu given a voice on QT, the same old shite week in week out gets boring.

What i'd really like to know is what Shami Chakrabarti did to piss off the BBC, she used to be on it all the time yet hasn't popped up for well over a year.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Now you've been told what TTIP is, ask yourself why someone with a clear interest in politics didn't know about agreements whereby corporations can take governments to secret arbetration for billions if they think policy will effect their profits.

Weren't you having a go at me on another thread for citing the power of media (?) -maybe not, it was the UKIP thread anyway.

Point is that the media has as much power in what they do discuss as what they don't. See also: Privatisation of NHS.
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One insane fact that will blow your mind:

UKIP are against TTIP.
 
butchersapron said:
One insane fact that will blow your mind:

UKIP are against TTIP.
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I've searched for some clarity on that in the past Butchers, where did you get yours from. I expect they could vote against on the basis of voting against just about anything, but I don't expect they would abstain from similar arrangements were the UK to exit the EU.

I don't believe UKIP oppose TTIP on principle, but that they may oppose it via it's coming into existence by the EU.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Now you've been told what TTIP is, ask yourself why someone with a clear interest in politics didn't know about agreements whereby corporations can take governments to secret arbetration for billions if they think policy will effect their profits.

Weren't you having a go at me on another thread for citing the power of media (?) -maybe not, it was the UKIP thread anyway.

Point is that the media has as much power in what they do discuss as what they don't. See also: Privatisation of NHS.
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I knew about the trade agreement - I just didn't recognise the acronym. And while I agree that one of the things the media can and will do in the service of power is to not discuss certain issues you've picked a pretty bad example since I don't think you can claim with any credibility that the privatisation/breakup of the NHS hasn't been covered. Nobody has ever claimed the media don't play a role in shaping opinion. What I at least object to is the idea you seem to have that they can shape peoples views like they're lumps of plasticine. I don't know if you've ever read manufacturing consent but if not you should IMO - gives a brilliant account of the role and nature of the media without reducing everything down to tabloid brainwashing.
 
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Kidda said:
Don't really understand all this 'Barton shouldn't be on the panel' stuff. Why not?

I'd like to see more people outside of the party political milieu given a voice on QT, the same old shite week in week out gets boring.

What i'd really like to know is what Shami Chakrabarti did to piss off the BBC, she used to be on it all the time yet hasn't popped up for well over a year.
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The BBC? Who knows.

The freedom hating rights abusing coalition, yes much more likely.
 
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