Question Time tonight
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Tomorrow night: David Dimbleby chairs topical debate from Wigan. On the panel are Conservative Brexit secretary David Davis, Labour's shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey, UKIP leader Paul Nuttall, Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood and the CEO of Siemens UK Juergen Maier.
How much longer must a party with no MPs be accorded so much exposure?
How much longer must a party with no MPs be accorded so much exposure?
redsquirrel
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You're going to complain that the leader of a party that is still polling in fourth place over the UK as a whole, has hundreds of councillors and representation in the Welsh Assembly is on the panel rather than the presence of some fucking CEO?
I can see some logic to Maier being there - they want an external take on inward investment post-Brexit, no matter how much truth is in what he says. To a certain extent the prolonged exposure of UKIP over the last fifteen or so years, throughout all their levels of polling, must account for some of their perceived success. Farage has certainly been on QT more times than anyone else who's lost Commons elections seven times.
redsquirrel
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You can see the logic of some wanker CEO being there (if they wanted an 'external take' why not get someone from a union) but you can't see the logic to the leader of the party that polled 4th in Wales, and was the only party to back a leave vote in the referendum - an event that is dominating the (party) political landscape.
Seriously, there's plenty of bias on the BBC but this idea that they give UKIP "unfair" exposure is just daft.
Seriously, there's plenty of bias on the BBC but this idea that they give UKIP "unfair" exposure is just daft.
DexterTCN
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They've been on 24% of QTs, haven't they?
If so then unfair exposure is an absolute fact. And funnily enough...look where we are now.
stethoscope
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Probably for the best tbf.
redsquirrel
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Are you claiming that they have been on 24% of all QTs? Can you back that figure up, because it sounds like bollocks.
But even if so how does it make "unfair exposure an absolute fact"? I should imagine Labour and the Tories have had a presence on 99+% of QTs, the LidDems/Liberals probably over 75%
EDIT: In fact of the 16 episodes so far this year I make it as UKIP having a presence in 5 (that's including Aaron Banks despite his lack of offical position), so in 2017 alone you're looking at 31%. So the idea that they are running at 25% overall I'm calling utter bollocks.
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DexterTCN
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I'm not talking about other parties.
I posited that if ukip had been on QT over 20% of the time that it was possible for them to be on it, then that is absolutely unfair exposure.
And instead of saying it is bollocks...maybe spend 10 seconds typing 'how many times have ukip been on' into google. That's what I did.
Also...people don't usually reply by editing previous posts.
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redsquirrel
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So you actually mean that they've appeared on 25% of QT shows between May 2010 and March 2017? And thus your claim that
And you still haven't explained what criteria you're judging against to determine this is "unfair exposure".
Lets assume the Huffingdon Post is correct, and that there are five panellists per show then the total UKIP presence over that same period is 5% of panellists. At the 2015 general election they took a 12.6% share of the vote on a turnout of 66% so ~8% of the electorate voted for them. So on that basis their number of appearances seems pretty representative.
NB: For the non-loons, I'm not suggesting that the above is how the level of representation of groups on QT should be decided, just pointing out that as ever Dexter is talking utter crap.
was bollocks.
And you still haven't explained what criteria you're judging against to determine this is "unfair exposure".
Lets assume the Huffingdon Post is correct, and that there are five panellists per show then the total UKIP presence over that same period is 5% of panellists. At the 2015 general election they took a 12.6% share of the vote on a turnout of 66% so ~8% of the electorate voted for them. So on that basis their number of appearances seems pretty representative.
NB: For the non-loons, I'm not suggesting that the above is how the level of representation of groups on QT should be decided, just pointing out that as ever Dexter is talking utter crap.
redsquirrel
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If we really want to talk about bias what about the % of panellists that were privately educated and/or went to oxbridge.
redsquirrel
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DexterTCN
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why don't you fuck off...find out...then come back and tell us
redsquirrel
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redsquirrel
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How is the above nonsense?
You claimed
You claimed
Using the 2015 GE figures the Tories had 50.8% of seats, Labour 35.7%, SNP 8.6%, LDs 1.2%, Grn 0.2%. So either by number of panel appearances or by number of panellists the two major parties (and probably the SNP too) have been under-represented compared to minor parties, and the Tories under-represented against Labour.
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