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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

Athos said:
I think they're preparing the ground. If I had to guess, I'd say it'll be a confidential settlement (for a hefty sum), without a formal admission of liability.

It'll be enough for her supporters to spin it as an effective admission, and his to spin it as no finding against him, and a pragmatic decision merely to put all this behind him.
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And so it came to pass.
 
Good. This is a good result for the victim. I would imagine that any figures being bandied about will include legal costs and the amount he has agreed to pass on to charity, with the victim get a small proportion than it may appear.

A settlement absolutely isn't an admission of guilt in the type of law I deal with, I assume it's the same here - but in my experience the accused settles to avoid the financial and reputational cost of continuing to fight, but in the court of public opinion he will be seen as guilty.
 
Spymaster said:
I think he'd settle in a heartbeat given the option.

And it would most certainly be forgotten, particularly among the people that he mixes with. It would be said that he was never found guilty and settled in order to end the whole episode. If he's found 'guilty' by a jury, then he may be cut adrift by elements of his social circle, but otherwise he'll be swanning around with them again within a couple of years.
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And so it came to pass.
 
Spymaster said:
And so it came to pass.
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I think it's a bit early to claim this bit is correct.

And it would most certainly be forgotten, particularly among the people that he mixes with. It would be said that he was never found guilty and settled in order to end the whole episode. If he's found 'guilty' by a jury, then he may be cut adrift by elements of his social circle, but otherwise he'll be swanning around with them again within a couple of years.
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It may perhaps turn out that way, though TBH I doubt it.

He was described today in the Telegraph as "the disgraced second son of Queen Elizabeth II", and that disgrace will stick to him for a good while yet.
 
seeformiles said:
How dare he spoil our much anticipated schadenfreude! I had my deckchair re-covered and the popcorn was ready to go 😞
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You speak for us all

This is not a good result for His (Non)Sweatiness, about the only benefit I can see for him is that he can now travel freely to various foreign climes with no fear he will get his collar felt at the airport.
He's escaped being shown as a liar in court but since pretty much the entire world now thinks he is that's not really an achievement. He will probably start showing his face at royal functions again but much of his life before was glad handing and I can't see all that many companies and charities being wild about having their name associated with his.
The place I was working for 2 or 3 years ago when all this started had a big sign in Reception saying this building was opened by HRH Prince Andrew, it was discreetly taken down at some point and I can't see it going back up.
I was really looking forward to the trial though greatly disappointed but is probably the best for Giuffre though.
 
andysays said:
He was described today in the Telegraph as "the disgraced second son of Queen Elizabeth II", and that disgrace will stick to him for a good while yet.
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I disagree. All his toff mates are probably already breathing sighs of relief and declaring "he was never found guilty". He won't be getting all his royal schizzle back but I reckon he'll be living a perfectly normal life of riley in 2 or 3 years.
 
I might try to find Andrew’s BBC interview and watch it again tonight, just for the lulz. More so as it would have been fundamental in killing off any chance he had of winning trial.
 
Am I the only one who feels disappointed by this outcome? He hasn't been shown up in court. Doesn't anyone remember Jordan Chandler? Michael Jackson shelled out $23 million out of court in 1994, and his fans apparently didn't think it was strange for someone to pay a sum like that if they weren't guilty.
 
ouirdeaux said:
Am I the only one who feels disappointed by this outcome? He hasn't been shown up in court. Doesn't anyone remember Jordan Chandler? Michael Jackson shelled out $23 million out of court in 1994, and his fans apparently didn't think it was strange for someone to pay a sum like that if they weren't guilty.
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does prince andrew have any fans though? Jackson was a nonce, but he also created some of the most successful popular music of the 20th century. He has fans who're prepared to look past the noncing as a result. Prince Andrew does not.
 
MickiQ said:
This is not a good result for His (Non)Sweatiness, about the only benefit I can see for him is that he can now travel freely to various foreign climes with no fear he will get his collar felt at the airport.
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No he can't, the FBI still want a cosy chat with the despicable nonce for a start.
 
killer b said:
He has fans who're prepared to look past the noncing as a result. Prince Andrew does not.
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He has sleazebag wealthy mates who will say that this proves she was a money-grubbing slag, and she was willing at the time, and it's all nonsense. How many of them have done similar things, and excused it in their own heads?

Non-sleazebags, assuming there are any, can think that it was a shame that Andrew got mixed up with bad people, but isn't it noble of him to donate to good causes and to spare both the royals and that poor girl, abused by so many nonAndrews, the indignity of having to go to court.

There are Michael Jackson fans who even now believe he was innocent. I think you underestimate the capacity of people to believe what it suits them to believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Surely there are enough examples of this around.
 
ouirdeaux said:
He has sleazebag wealthy mates who will say that this proves she was a money-grubbing slag, and she was willing at the time, and it's all nonsense. How many of them have done similar things, and excused it in their own heads?

Non-sleazebags, assuming there are any, can think that it was a shame that Andrew got mixed up with bad people, but isn't it noble of him to donate to good causes and to spare both the royals and that poor girl, abused by so many nonAndrews, the indignity of having to go to court.

There are Michael Jackson fans who even now believe he was innocent. I think you underestimate the capacity of people to believe what it suits them to believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Surely there are enough examples of this around.
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I'm sure there'll be people who believe he's innocent and she's a money grubbing slut - they're the same people who would have believed that whatever happened. It's not really about him, or about her, or about the result of a court case for them, it's about their own gross misogyny, and a civil conviction in an american court would not have changed their view one bit. It probably would have made them worse in fact, seeing as Giuffre would have been slandered through the courts for months. This is the best result for everyone really.
 
killer b said:
does prince andrew have any fans though? Jackson was a nonce, but he also created some of the most successful popular music of the 20th century. He has fans who're prepared to look past the noncing as a result. Prince Andrew does not.
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Unfortunately there’s plenty of loyalists in NI who still support him, as he is a member of their beloved Royal Family. ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ was their main point leading up to this and now it’s ‘she was only looking his money’. This is what we have to deal with on a daily basis here.
 
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