Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls

[N_igma]

I was working on a movie about the 1960s, the OZ magazine trial to be exact, and we had alot of archive material, magazines, footage from old festivals etc, one stands out was a hippie interviewed on camera talking about how he regularly gave his six year old child some acid, just a quarter or a half tab mind.

'Just' a quarter or a half tab? To a fucking 6 year old? What the actual fuck?

 

[SpackleFrog]

How can I make it clearer? Thora asked you a question:

Is it really that hard to avoid fucking under age girls 8den? You make it sound like it could happen to anyone, but most adult men surely aren't in the position of saying "oops she looked 16" because they aren't trying to fuck 16 year olds?

You responded:

Most adult men aren't a 70s rock star and Maddox clearly wasn't a typical 15 year old girl.

I'm going to refer you to Felixthecat's post on the previous page

What on earth difference does that make? Oh, he was a rock star and she was going to lots of parties with rock stars, so getting a child high on drugs and fucking them is fine?

 

[trashpony]

Dunno what gender has to do with it, and I don't think I was huffing or puffing. But you said this and (sorry if I'm being overly cynical but you do get the odd weirdo pop up) it seemed a bit odd to me.

Sex, not gender.

I wasn't just talking about you (the huffing and puffing). And my pointing out that a) statutory rape doesn't exist in the UK and that b) the age of consent is arbitrary because it varies so much between countries tells you nothing about whether I'm an odd weirdo or otherwise. They're just facts.

Incidentally, I'm 51 and I'm a mother of a 9 year old. So yes, a bit odd. But probably the same age as your mum

 

[ska invita]

I was working on a movie about the 1960s, the OZ magazine trial to be exact, and we had alot of archive material, magazines, footage from old festivals etc, one stands out was a hippie interviewed on camera talking about how he regularly gave his six year old child some acid, just a quarter or a half tab mind.

Theres a Freak Brothers strip about a (IIRC) 14 year old girl who runs away from home (telling her parents to get bent) and all the freaky shit she gets up to...wish I could find that quickly, but theres just too many to look through. As has been expressed already, its wrong to take away all agency from certain underage girls themselves

 

[trashpony]

This is quite an insight into the culture of the time: star1973.com

 

[SpackleFrog]

Sex, not gender.

I wasn't just talking about you (the huffing and puffing). And my pointing out that a) statutory rape doesn't exist in the UK and that b) the age of consent is arbitrary because it varies so much between countries tells you nothing about whether I'm an odd weirdo or otherwise. They're just facts.

Incidentally, I'm 51 and I'm a mother of a 9 year old. So yes, a bit odd. But probably the same age as your mum

Nah, she's got ten years on you. Apologies, I read you as saying that the whole concept of the age of consent was arbitrary, looking back I think I conflated your post with someone elses.

 

[8den]

'Just' a quarter or a half tab? To a fucking 6 year old? What the actual fuck?

Yeah he was chatting away at the Isle of White festival to camera crew like this was no big deal.

The film I was working on was the story of the magazine Oz and we ended up with the entire back catalogue sitting around the office, sexual politics and gender were alot different then, perhaps thats why I think it's a mitigating factor in what happened.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I was working on a movie about the 1960s, the OZ magazine trial to be exact, and we had alot of archive material, magazines, footage from old festivals etc, one stands out was a hippie interviewed on camera talking about how he regularly gave his six year old child some acid, just a quarter or a half tab mind.

You do understand that that is child abuse don't you?

 

[8den]

How can I make it clearer? Thora asked you a question:



You responded:

I think I did respond to Thora and if I didn't I apologise. As I pointed out already about a half dozen women on this forum have stated that as teenagers they were attracted to or involved with older rock stars. I'm not saying thats acceptable, just the issue is a tad more complex.

What on earth difference does that make? Oh, he was a rock star and she was going to lots of parties with rock stars, so getting a child high on drugs and fucking them is fine?

I'm going to go out on a limb at this junction and say you haven't read Maddox's account of the night in question.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is quite an insight into the culture of the time: star1973.com

Bloody hell!

 

[8den]

You do understand that that is child abuse don't you?

Yes of course I do. Unfortunately I could not do anything about it, because you see when I watched it was 2008, and the film was shot in 1969, and I suspect I'm now going to have to explain the linear nature of time to you at this junction.

I posted that as example of completely different cultural norms that have existed in the past 50 years.

 

[8den]

This is quite an insight into the culture of the time: star1973.com

I think those say it all really, the 70s were massively fucked up.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'm going to go out on a limb at this junction and say you haven't read Maddox's account of the night in question.

Read the articles, watched the interviews. Some time ago, re-read/watched this morning for accuracy.

But this morning you hadn't, had you? You didn't seem to have.

But the evidence hasn't been posted here.

 

[trashpony]

Bloody hell!

Edition 5 features an interview with Laurie's friend Sable, advising on how to become a good groupie.

 

[8den]

Read the articles, watched the interviews. Some time ago, re-read/watched this morning for accuracy.

But this morning you hadn't, had you? You didn't seem to have.

Actually I had and I have.

When I said that people were claiming Bowie had predilection for underage girls, and I pointed out two things;

1. Nowhere in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was underage.

2. Maddox' account appears to be the only account of anyone talking about Bowie having sex with a underaged boy or girl.

You are taking what I said out of context badly. In that you're trying to make it show that I said something I didnt say, and you're making a hams fist of it.

 

[Favelado]

It wasn't okay to have sex with young teenagers in the 60s or 70s. These were not cultural norms.

 

[Favelado]

Actually I had and I have.

When I said that people were claiming Bowie had predilection for underage girls, and I pointed out two things;

1. Nowhere in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was underage.

2. Maddox' account appears to be the only account of anyone talking about Bowie having sex with a underaged boy or girl.

You are taking what I said out of context badly. In that you're trying to make it show that I said something I didnt say, and you're making a hams fist of it.

1. She was clearly underage at the time. It wouldn't need saying. She looked like a kid.
2. Once is enough. I've never had sex with a child even once. Because I'm not a paedo.

 

[8den]

It wasn't okay to have sex with young teenagers in the 60s or 70s. These were not cultural norms.

We don't know if Bowie knew she was a young teenager when he slept with her. And we've been shown several examples of him rejecting girls when he knew they were definitely underage.

 

[tendril]

Actually I had and I have.

When I said that people were claiming Bowie had predilection for underage girls, and I pointed out two things;

1. Nowhere in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was underage.

2. Maddox' account appears to be the only account of anyone talking about Bowie having sex with a underaged boy or girl.



You are taking what I said out of context badly. In that you're trying to make it show that I said something I didnt say, and you're making a hams fist of it.

He did, and even asked her mother, who seemed to encourage it:


I Lost My Virginity to David Bowie

 

[8den]

He did, and even asked her mother, who seemed to encourage it:


I Lost My Virginity to David Bowie

You're confusing Bowie with Jimmy Page.

Zeppelin was starting its tour for Houses of the Holy and Jimmy stationed himself in LA. The band had a private jet, called the Starship, and he flew back and forth from the gigs. But I was underage and couldn’t travel with him. So I would stay in the room and wait for Jimmy. At that point, I was 15 and totally in love with this man. I put him on a pedestal. It became so serious that Jimmy asked my mom for permission to be with me.

THRILLIST: Wait -- he asked your mom? Did he ever seem at all nervous about having sex with a minor?

Looking back, he had to be afraid of getting sued for being with such a young girl, so maybe he thought it would be better if he cleared it with my mother and told her he was in love with me. And I do think he was in love with me. He bought me beautiful maxi dresses to wear and wouldn’t let me do drugs or anything.

THRILLIST: What did your mother make of him?

She liked him. She used to be an agent and was savvy to show business. She knew that I was dating the biggest rock star in the world. She used to say, “My daughter is like Priscilla [Presley].” I was Jimmy’s little angel.

I have no problem at all in stating that Page's relationship with Maddox was incredibly wrong and sick.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Actually I had and I have.

When I said that people were claiming Bowie had predilection for underage girls, and I pointed out two things;

1. Nowhere in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was underage.

2. Maddox' account appears to be the only account of anyone talking about Bowie having sex with a underaged boy or girl.

You are taking what I said out of context badly. In that you're trying to make it show that I said something I didnt say, and you're making a hams fist of it.

Give over, am I fuck. It's not about Bowie anymore, it's about you and the fact that you think if somebody is a rock star and somebody else is a certain type of young teenager then its all fair game.

 

[8den]

Give over, am I fuck. It's not about Bowie anymore, it's about you and the fact that you think if somebody is a rock star and somebody else is a certain type of young teenager then its all fair game.

Wow you've got this whole little thing going on in your head, I don't even need to be here.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Most adult men aren't a 70s rock star and Maddox clearly wasn't a typical 15 year old girl.

 

[tendril]

You're confusing Bowie with Jimmy Page.



I have no problem at all in stating that Page's relationship with Maddox was incredibly wrong and sick.

Seems I am, though Lori says that her mum probaby knew:

THRILLIST: Did your mother have any idea what was going on?

I think she knew. But what could she say?

 

[8den]

Seems I am, though Lori says that her mum probaby knew:

THRILLIST: Did your mother have any idea what was going on?

I think she knew. But what could she say?

I read that to mean her mum had some idea she was sexually active with rockstars but had no idea of the details. Her previous answer was about her lifestyle at the time and the answer seemed more generic than specific about Bowie.

But we can agree it was Page and not Bowie who had a long term relationship with Maddox with Maddox's mum full knowledge, something that I think is far more serious and dangerous than her relationship with Bowie.

So we're clear no were in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was definitely under age and Maddox's account is the only one we have of Bowie' sexual relations with a minor (and again we have several accounts including some actual posters on this forum talking about how Bowie rejected advances from girls who were underage).

So going on the one account now (and I add if that more women come forward and talk about how Bowie liked to ply underage girls with drugs and have sex with them, I will of course condemn him), but going on this one account it is, very conceivable that on this night he showed VERY poor judgment and knowingly or unknowingly had sex with an underage girl.

 

[tendril]

I read that to mean her mum had some idea she was sexually active with rockstars but had no idea of the details. Her previous answer was about her lifestyle at the time and the answer seemed more generic than specific about Bowie.

But we can agree it was Page and not Bowie who had a long term relationship with Maddox with Maddox's mum full knowledge, something that I think is far more serious and dangerous than her relationship with Bowie.

So we're clear no were in Maddox's account does she say Bowie knew she was definitely under age and Maddox's account is the only one we have of Bowie' sexual relations with a minor (and again we have several accounts including some actual posters on this forum talking about how Bowie rejected advances from girls who were underage).

So going on the one account now (and I add if that more women come forward and talk about how Bowie liked to ply underage girls with drugs and have sex with them, I will of course condemn him), but going on this one account it is, very conceivable that on this night he showed VERY poor judgment and knowingly or unknowingly had sex with an underage girl.

Given the range and amount of intoxicants floating around then, good judgment was probably impossible

 

[tendril]

Also, and this in no way directly implicates Bowie, it was pretty rife back then, even warranting 5 editions from Star magazine:


Diamonds From The Mine: The New Generation of Groupies

 

[Casually Red]

Most adult men aren't a 70s rock star and Maddox clearly wasn't a typical 15 year old girl.

You're absolutely correct 8den . She definitely wasn't a typical 15 year old girl . For starters she was 14 years old, and most 15 year old girls are a year older than that .

Eta

And when Bowie " took her virginity "... That is sexually molested a child, she was only 13 . Page waited till she was 14...actually he didn't wait . He just didn't meet her till then .

 

[Casually Red]

How hard is it to say , the bloke was a musical genius, who produced some brilliant memorable stuff . But as a bloke he was a bit of a cunt who took advantage of young kids . As in fucked them . And had there been any justice he'd have gone to jail .

 

[Casually Red]

Really...it's like some of these dudes are groupies themselves . Not enough to like the music they have to suck famous cock too .

They won't actually thank you for it you know, the craven adulation. There's no actual reward .