belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
On Friday May 8th, the key figure is 323. None of this other stuff kicks in until a government has been agreed. Once parliament is up and running, the figure is probably 321, but not until then.
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On Friday May 8th, the key figure is 323. None of this other stuff kicks in until a government has been agreed. Once parliament is up and running, the figure is probably 321, but not until then.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does 323 mean on may 8th exactly?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No it's not
On Friday May 8th, the key figure is 323. None of this other stuff kicks in until a government has been agreed. Once parliament is up and running, the figure is probably 321, but not until then.
at all, actually.Before a successful Queen's speech there are tight restrictions upon what the incumbent administration can undertake. Though they may, in name 'govern'; they remain caretakers without power to initiate policy until they have the QS passed. Look in my link; it's all there.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It isn't. that concerns only the Speaker - I can't see any mention (at a quick glance) at the role of his Deputies.No it's not
Before a successful Queen's speech there are tight restrictions upon what the incumbent administration can undertake. Though they may, in name 'govern'; they remain caretakers without power to initiate policy until they have the QS passed. Look in my link; it's all there.
Also, it's still irrelevant. As I said before, the key thing on friday morning, ie before parliament is recalled, is the number before any deputies are elected. If a party/agreed partnership has 321, they will be likely to lose another two votes when they become deputies, reducing the party/parties to 319.
Hence, the key number on friday morning is 323.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I just don't get the obsession with the 8th May. Nothing will be decided on that morning; that's when the horse-trading begins in earnest.
If, on the morning of 8th May, a parliament is elected with no party with an overall majority the figure you mention would be irrelevant. In such a situation the incumbent administration will remain in (holding) office, unless Cameron resigns immediately. At first sitting (on the 18th) the Speaker & deputies will be (re)/elected, and the next week when the QS is voted upon the government would require at least 321 votes to get it passed.
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
because that is when people are elected. It's pretty straight forward.
In order to govern, the ruling party/parties will need at least 323 MP's to be elected. Yes or no?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You are, quite simply, wrong.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Then erase from the history books the minority administrations of the past.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
They are irrelevant (as irrelevant as your previous link, which you've now quietly forgotten about, it seems). Try reading, and understanding, what is written.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm uncertain about what exactly you don't understand. I've tried quite hard to explain the situation...perhaps take a break and have a bit of think about it?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
lol. I'll do that, while you go away and learn to count.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
OK, to help my numeracy skills (or lack of) perhaps you'd be good enough to talk me through the numbers that you claim? For claity let's assume status quo wrt the number of SF and speaker MPs, eh? Off you go...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
see post 2164, amongst others.
Where are your three Deputies coming from, btw? Which parties?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
we dont have the election results yet, so those figures might be right, they might not. It is likely that there will be two Labour deputies, but it is by no means certain.
But let's assume it is. In that case, when parliament is fully up and running, the government chosen and in place, then - and only then - it will require 321 MP's to vote in favour of something for it to be passed.
But, in order for that to happen, the ruling party/parties will require 323 MP's to be elected to their ranks. From which two will then be chosen as deputies. But it still requires 323 to be elected in the first place, as I've stated all along, and which you have denied all along (see post 2166/7)
Fez909
toilet expert
If there are 320 Labour/SNP MPs elected, who do you think will form the government?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Labour - thanks to SDLP, PC & Greens.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think I can now see what you don't understand. You seem to be under the misapprehension that in order to be considered as the formateur of a new administration, the party leader would require an absolute majority. In that assumption you are wrong, and that is why you have been wasting my time. Now, go away and read up on this matter...this is quite good..
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourki...rms-uk-government-in-event-of-hung-parliament
Fez909
toilet expert
If Labour+SDLP+PC+Greens+SNP are on 320, then who will form the goverment?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Don't you start up as well.
Remember, if those numbers come about parliament will be hung, and probably fractured as well. So...in such circumstances, Cameron will be given the first opportunity to present a QS to parliament. If the combined opposition could muster 321 to defeat it, then convention would dictate that Miliband would then be offered the opportunity to have a go.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'd prefer hanged
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
is this link as useless as the last one? the one which didnt even mention deputies despite you claiming it did?
Look, you cant count. You thought you'd discovered something clever, but you hadn't, and you can't now admit that you were wrong. Sad, but true. Nothing anyone can say will convince you you are wrong, despite you obviously being so. Hey ho.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I suspect Labour wouldnt mind that if they manage to form a government, I imagine Milliband will want as many of his MP's to vote as possible, so thats Hoyle back on the benches I reckon.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Can't see the Greens volunteering to have their only MP removed from taking part in party politics.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
This link in no way supports the argument you were making.
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