danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Or accepting it's the inevitable result.
I will laugh like a drain and feel all warm and fuzzy if Labour do badly in Scotland.
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I will laugh like a drain and feel all warm and fuzzy if Labour do badly in Scotland.
Now its(the criticism) from the Left with David Hare sticking his oar in
tbh, bit baffled by this, labour are now starting to offer some decent polices, today they said they would set up community transport trusts to run buses, etc and warned the existing bus companies to pull their socks up, of course it could be all talk.
anyway, why now just before an election, does he want the other Milliband back?
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Open goal is the word - this week we've had news of failings in schools, prisons and hospitals, easy to link all this together and say the government has 'lost a grip' on public services. Stuff like this isn't even contentious with the middle of the road voters in the way that getting angry and taking a stand on things like welfare would be - it's everyday bread-and-butter issues.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It's only an open goal if you're playing for the other side.
Crises in Prisons/the justice system, are usually political dynamite and have led to ministers resigning in the past, now it just seems to waft over them.
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Sheer incompetence also?
They're incompetent too. Note bold. And I did say 'also' before.
Oh yes, and J Ed has it right as well.
Which they will on current projections. So enjoy your warmth and fuzziness North of the border.
Ask articul8, whose views are clearly 100% identical to mine on every respect
Stop interrogating me. Am I not allowed to hate the Tories?
Have a think about it. My main election wish is that the Tories lose and lose big. They may well win at this polling-trend rate. I call that incompetence (principally, but yes true all the other stuff's there too) on the part of the so-called 'Official Opposition'. Hardly that controversial to say that.
Yes. You're saying (I think?) that its deliberate that they're not doing so. The more I think about how many open goals are being missed, the more I think you have a big point. But there's no way incompetence doesn't play a big part as well. They're failing so abjectly to advance in the polls -- that's a major, and incompetent, fail simply in terms of electoral strategy if no more.
I don't really have hopes of that -- and haven't for years. There'll never be anything from Labour (and even less from the fringes further left) that's getting anywhere. Labour never sound even mildly leftish at the very best, and that's no surprise. But even if they did go through a few mildly leftish sounding motions, I'd prefer that (just about) to nothing, the complete absence of any half way competent opposition from them that we have now.
Not really ready to go much further with this conversation tonight -- too depressing.
As are the polls, to sort-of bring it back on topic ...
Not really ready to go much further with this conversation tonight -- too depressing.
As are the polls, to sort-of bring it back on topic ...
Going to bed! 
So where does competence come in? Labour are clearly pursuing an electoral strategy that doesn't include going through some mildly leftish sounding motions. I'd guess the main reason for this is because they hope to woo swing tory/labour voters - the people who essentially decide elections, and who are scared off by mildly leftish motions.
If you're wanting a party with socialist or social democrat policies, then the Labour Party are awful. But they aren't incompetent - they're just not a socialist or social democrat party.
If you're wanting a party with socialist or social democrat policies, then the Labour Party are awful. But they aren't incompetent - they're just not a socialist or social democrat party.
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Labour are a pro-austerity, militarist, pro Trident, pro corporation, party of the neoliberal elite. When in power - as they were only a few years ago - they were tough on disabled people, single parents, civil liberties, poor people, immigrants, and everything that should be defended.
Their only virtue is that they aren't formally The Tories. But that is in name only.
They can go fuck themselves.
Their only virtue is that they aren't formally The Tories. But that is in name only.
They can go fuck themselves.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Opinium (for the Guardian) have polled just over 500 'first-time voters...
...which they've compared with their "adult" voting intentions...
...which they've compared with their "adult" voting intentions...
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Ok yes, but clearly they weren't as austere as the Tories are now or there wouldn't have been anything to cut. That's a marginal but important difference.
Sadly they were also worse militarist bastards than even Thatcher was.
Another Tory led coalition will go full speed on dismantling welfare and the NHS. Labour won't, but say it's all shit and all the same by all means. You are not wrong, but not wholly right either.
whatever makes you think this?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
I mean. They've even openly said they will
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Not sure that "vote Labour and we promise to dismantle the welfare state at only 95% of the speed the Tories would" is going to win them too many new supporters, I'm afraid...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
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