Political polling
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Supine
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maomao
普費斯
effectThe dawn butler affect
More likely dissatisfaction with the opening up and then putting all the responsibility on the public. Everyone knows politicians are liars anyway.
Supine
Newt Member
I always get that wrong. Probably shouldn’t have chosen science as a career tbh.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The dawn butler affect
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I want that for my massively qualified eldest who still needs to note No. 16
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
According to the dyslexia association I’m possibly dyslexic, so there are blind spots for me, but I suppose the amount of effort I had to put in to learn those ones makes me joke-irritated when people get them wrong. I wasn’t diagnosed at school, and no allowance was made for me, so I’m fucked if I’m making any allowances on this sarcastic bear pit.I want that for my massively qualified eldest who still needs to note No. 16
maomao
普費斯
I like writing it that way to wind people up and then arguing that as it's not actually a verb, merely a cliticised remnant of one it deserves its own spelling anyway. Hours of fun. Honest.I want that for my massively qualified eldest who still needs to note No. 16
JimW
支那暗杀团
There are senses where effect is an action of course, effect a change etc, quite apart from the times where affect is a noun
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
tHeRe ArE SeNsEs WhErE yada yadaThere are senses where effect is an action of course, effect a change etc, quite apart from the times where affect is a noun
JimW
支那暗杀团
You've been taken for a mug.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
More than once.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
They’ve been a bit more combative lately, hasn’t Starmer got someone new looking after messaging etc now? Just seem a bit more focused and using the same sound bites (“get a grip”) which is wretched yet effective politics. I don’t think they’d have been brave enough to use a phrase like ‘the Johnson variant” a few months back.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
To get anywhere labour needs a new politics, a new relationship to the working class and a way of organising beyond the borders of the party itself. None of that is going to happen, even less so as the whole period in the party is still dominated by the exit from Corbynism. Same time, you are right, without any of that happening, a louder clearer message from labour, something less apologetic and concerned at being opportunistic if it attacks johnson over Covid could make some progress. Whilst also banging on about keeping services public all the time, of course. TBH, kieth is just about the last person you'd want for that 'soft left neo-populism', if there is such a thing, but even he could possibly get labour even with the tories if he goes on the attack.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I think the timidity has been more damaging than policy stuff. Elections are won by directing discontent at your opponents, not often by offering an inspirational alternative. Which is shit, but how it seems to work.
One of the reasons the Tories have been successful recently is directing people’s discontent towards Labour, all this red wall stuff, somehow giving the impression that Labour are the status quo, the ones in charge of the game. That they haven’t been for more than a decade makes this seem a perverse attack.
One of the reasons the Tories have been successful recently is directing people’s discontent towards Labour, all this red wall stuff, somehow giving the impression that Labour are the status quo, the ones in charge of the game. That they haven’t been for more than a decade makes this seem a perverse attack.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
One of the things that has surprised me about the Starmer LP is that, contrary to the usual practice of the liberal side of the party, it is not looking more towards the model of the Biden Democrats.
Usually the liberal and right sections of the party cannot but stick to the Democrats like flies on shit. But for the first time in a long time they seem determined to ignore the position of the Democrat's. Obviously Biden is a total twat but while he might be a liberal fuck he, and those around him, at least realise that those attached by Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez etc are a necessary part of any winning coalition.
You are absolutely right in your first sentence, and the UK is not the US, Johnson is not Trump despite the protestations of some. I am not sure that even a LP that was built on the same sort of coalition to the Democrats would be ahead in the polls, but I'm convinced that it would be ahead of where the LP is at the minute.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Small point, I know, but possibly emblematic of the lack of unity/fire in the LP...when Butler was made to leave the Commons for speaking the truth, there were at least 7 other LP MPs who could/should have got up and left in solidarity with her. With about 1 hour left before recess and no cost/high impact performative act that would have gained media traction.
But, of course, no...
But, of course, no...
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
To me at least, Labour need to ditch Starmer now. He has no credence.
Get Andy Burnham a seat and elect him as leader.
Get Andy Burnham a seat and elect him as leader.
Supine
Newt Member
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Why would Burnham be the Tory’s dream ?If your a tory you might well want that
Supine
Newt Member
Because i think they are more worried about how starmer comes across to their voters. Burnham would be popular with the left but they aren’t the people the tories worry about losing.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I haven’t seen any evidence that Starmer has much impact on ‘their voters’ tbh . Burnham , who is tbh hardly the socialist messiah but is fiercely loyal to the north , waltzed the mayoral elections across Greater Manchester which included Tory boroughs .
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Indeed.
Whereas I am not a Labour supporter, I do think that governments have a shelf life, at which point the other side should have a go.
The 'other side' are not going to get a go under Starmer, he seems to be an anathema to both Labour and Conservative voters.
With Corbyn, although I didn't support him, I knew what he stood for. I genuinely don't have a clue what Starmer stands for.
There is also the slight problem with a multi-millionaire knight of the realm standing as leader of the party of the working man.
Andy Burnham gives an air of both competence and integrity, Starmer doesn't.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Was never a great fan of Corbyn , appreciate that he had to endure a smear campaign, but the fact is a lot of his economic stuff was popular . Burnham comes without the ‘international baggage’
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