beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
If it's an MOD site, with signs warning of explosives, it's a bad site. End of. If you can't see why then you really shouldn't be organising parties.
Police tactics/reaction to 'illegal' Raves
- Thread starter ste9
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If it's an MOD site, with signs warning of explosives, it's a bad site. End of. If you can't see why then you really shouldn't be organising parties.
No, no. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply asking for some reasoning. Some explanation. Freespirit said it's better to have one person to take the wrap. I'd like to know why this is. And what could happen if nobody takes the wrap. thanks.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
It would not be the first time those signs went-up round somewhere without any BTW.
They also get used round places where te MOD don't want to draw attention to other activities - eg, connected with electronic warfare training etc & where a more blatent "Prohibited Place" notice might be deemed too obvious. Either way, the welcome would be similar - bloody cold!
In recent years, we have also had problems with stashes of WW2 ordnance going-off in places long abandoned by the MOD. One involved phosphorous bombs by a beach very popular for parties & at least three failed cleanups later, it now sports a nice new set of signs. Another involved a stash of gas devices, in a very public location by a popular riverside walk & guess what, despite an injury, the big new fence & signs, the MOD still claims there were no such weapons deployed/stored in this area.
snadge
metal alchemist
I see, so you would let your kids play on MOD land with the chance there is unexploded munitions on.
Nice.
snadge
metal alchemist
Ah. So if 1000+ people turn up, and nobody admits to being the organiser, they would prosecute everyone there?
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
They really won't give a fuck about who owns what on the night & if they think you are trying to screw them around with nit-picking technicalities, your chances of getting any sort of discretion will evaporate & the chances of having the whole lot lifted will increase significantly.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
No, they would prosecute the owners of the equipment, the owners of vehicles used to transport that equipment etc. (of course, as per the post upthread, they can shred and destroy them too)
You have to remember that the events on the day are not the only source of information that the police have. They can find out how the night was promoted. Find out who sent out texts. Find out who owns vehicles.
Bear in mind that raves are illegal under the CJA. Refusing to leave when the cops say so tell you to is a criminal offence. This applies to all attendees.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Prosecute or not, it would give them a perfect excuse to be as cuntish as they like.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
There are plenty of threads on here detailing raves where batons and pepper spray have been used to break up the party. word to the wise, yeah?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You seem to be missing the point, which is about showing good will - if you attempt to meet them half way, using the tactics outlined by freespirit, they are far more likely to treat you OK/let you off etc.
Chance. It's all about probabilities. I let my kids ride around in cars. Chance of being in a road accident? Relatively high (look at the statistics). I let my kids climb trees. Chance of falling out of a tree and breaking neck? Relatively high. Chance of being blown up on this site? Very, very low.
Ah. So if they can't find one person to pin the blame on, then they're likely to go psycho on the whole crowd?
if one person takes the wrap make sure everyone pays the fine.
i know people got stung for £2.5k fines.
that is an extreme example though. 9 times out of 10 they just want you to fuck off and go home.
fwiw none of us ever fessed to being an 'organiser'. as FS said many pages back someone spoke to the police. we never managed to get ourselfs nicked or seized but we did get escorted out of a county once
think it through, choose your site well and follow FS advice and that's as much as you can do.
unless you are from norfolk in which case don't bother.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
ste9 - have you ever actually been to a freeparty/rave?
For someone that's going to be an organiser of one you seem to have remarkably little idea of what's involved...
For someone that's going to be an organiser of one you seem to have remarkably little idea of what's involved...
Have ravers ever used smoke grenades at parties? I know we're going into the realms of warfare now, and that probably isn't good. Just curious. If they can't see the ravers then they can't attack them. I imagine a large crowd and the lack of visibility would terrify the police. I suppose the army would get involved. Any precedents?
you are taking the piss now right?
i think you should go and ask these questions on squatjuice (if you don't already post there
)you'll do well.
snadge
metal alchemist
I f you are genuine it's fuckwits like you that get oppressive laws rushed through.
personally I think you're a troll.
I already told you, I am NOT an organiser. I'm just a spokesperson/researcher. My role is to approach this problem with an empty mind and try to understand the details. This is why I ask a lot of questions. This is why I ask for precedents.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
has all this excellent first hand advice from experience been wasted on you?
or are you 14? (or 24 and from norfolk init!)
ffs get a grip, take the advice and grow the fuck up (and don't ruin it for the rest of us)
Hey, I'm not recommending it! I'm just curious if it has happened and what the results were. I know some idiots throw bricks at the police so it seems logical that they would bring smoke grenades.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Go away.
yeah extremely logical
Yup. In any situation where there is a large, unequipped, chaotic mob against a small, well equipped, organised team, lack of visibility is going to play into the hands of the chaotic mob. And, no, I'm not saying that anyone should fight the police, or whatever. Just some facts about warfare.
err. Why so hostile? I'm just looking for information. Don't be afraid of ideas!
