Pensioner arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death.

[coley]

Oh noes! existentialist, you damn fool! Now we can have pages of all the military chaps discussing precisely what gun is shown in the illustration, whether it would be the best gun for the job, whether it would normally have been available to whomever ...

Berrata? I believe, orrible bliddy shoes though.

 

[Celyn]

Ah! Now good people of Urban, I have noticed a possible and peaceable way to sort out this tiny localised wee bit of animosity. By song.

Persons come and insist on putting flowers wherever they want, regardless of feelings of neighbours.

So, you see, in my grand plan, persons would put up flowers. Other persons would pull down flowers. Flower-putting people would merely retaliate by singing "Where have all the flowers gone?"

Which, never mind if the singing is tuneful or not, would surely be quite non-violent and quite good.

 

[coley]

The Late Henry Vincent was under investigation over a separate burglary involving an elderly victim at the time that he died following an incident that took place at 12.45 a.m. inside the property of a 78-year old man and his 74-year old wife​

Grieving Billy Jeeves, 28, is being sought by police following the burglary in Hither Green​

... perhaps the 'relentlessness' which is now causing concern here is nowhere near disturbing as the 'relentlessness' with which we now know that the Late Mr Vincent, his friend and relative Mr Jeeves, and other grieiving members of his family are known to have been pursuing elderly and vulnerable members of the public for many years.

Fair point, it's going on all the time, a bunch of them were sent down up here a couple of years ago, but it's hard to chase them with so much police time being devoted to nailing the likes of Cliff Richard and others who have actually died

 

[tonysingh]

Tony, you seem to have a passing knowledge of these folks (as do I, unfortunately) can you see. In your wildest dreams, his family and friends upping up,this kind of funeral with the entailed costs?
A two car cortège with a gang of horses and carts trailing along behind, at the very best.

It wouldn't matter if the cortege was just two cars with some of that horse drawn bollocks. It wouldn't matter if they did the full Reggie Kray effort or just chucked the bloke on the back of a cortina and drove by, it'll still be grist to the mill, it'll still garuntee a showdown with locals.

This sort of low level (but prolific) criminal family, they'll go for the most full on mawkish funeral possible. Ive seen my own family do it. It'll drag out their lot on the booze which is fair enough, we drink when we're mourning eh? It's just I can see that then fuelling a confrontation with locals and if they respond....well it's all going to kick off innit.

I don't know if the old bill have the power to prevent the funeral cortege from taking this route. I hope they do because it ain't going to end well for anyone. Emotions have run too high now.

You know what this reminds me of now, in a funny way? N.Ireland and parades, just without the history bit.

 

[scifisam]

Tony, you seem to have a passing knowledge of these folks (as do I, unfortunately) can you see. In your wildest dreams, his family and friends upping up,this kind of funeral with the entailed costs?
A two car cortège with a gang of horses and carts trailing along behind, at the very best.

Yeah, it's all quoting "a source close to the family" and "it is believed that." Basically they've made it up to keep the story going.

 

[Celyn]

You knuw what I can see happening now? This funeral cortege wending it's way past the house and locals kicking off. The burglars family and friends kick off in response and then the Daily Mail / Sun types can wank themselves off in a frenzy over it all.

Fucks sake. This is all getting well tawdry now

Ah! I have a plan. All the actual family that placed flowers. They can sing "Oh, where have all the flowers gone?"

In a very peaceful way.

 

[coley]

It wouldn't matter if the cortege was just two cars with some of that horse drawn bollocks. It wouldn't matter if they did the full Reggie Kray effort or just chucked the bloke on the back of a cortina and drove by, it'll still be grist to the mill, it'll still garuntee a showdown with locals.

This sort of low level (but prolific) criminal family, they'll go for the most full on mawkish funeral possible. Ive seen my own family do it. It'll drag out their lot on the booze which is fair enough, we drink when we're mourning eh? It's just I can see that then fuelling a confrontation with locals and if they respond....well it's all going to kick off innit.

I don't know if the old bill have the power to prevent the funeral cortege from taking this route. I hope they do because it ain't going to end well for anyone. Emotions have run too high now.

You know what this reminds me of now, in a funny way? N.Ireland and parades, just without the history bit.

Let them have their cortège, the auld fella and his wife are seemingly well away, a couple of funeral cars (or if the local FDs have any sense) a couple of auld bangers supplied by F&Fs and let the general public see the antics of these people.
For far to long they have gotten away with the type of low level crime that targets the WC and makes their life a misery.

 

[Celyn]

Berrata? I believe, orrible bliddy shoes though.

Haha and and more more Ha! I really was about to mention the shoes and the trousies, but I chose not to.

 

[coley]

Ah! I have a plan. All the actual family that placed flowers. They can sing "Oh, where have all the flowers gone?"

In a very peaceful way.

Where have all the flowers gone?(Vincent's lot)
In the bin, every...fucking .. one (locals)
When will you ever learn, we'll fuck you up at every turn (Vincent's lot)
Tell that to your mate in the urn (locals)
... over to you Urbs

 

[existentialist]

Yeah, it's all quoting "a source close to the family" and "it is believed that." Basically they've made it up to keep the story going.

My guess is that it's the geezer who had the fisticuffs with yer man, who's now thoroughly enjoying his 15 minutes of fame and all the beers that go with it.

 

[twentythreedom]

The family should be allowed to express their grief etc but they in turn need to appreciate the depth of revulsion and disgust (and fear) that locals will be feeling and just stay away now.

The funeral idea is insane and just makes the whole traveller community look bad, and if it goes ahead as stated it will kick off. Going tooled up to rob pensioners is about as low as you can get, and some people will be seriously steamed up and raging about it and go looking to batter the travellers.

Travellers will be drunk as fuck and ready to fight back. It's not going to end well.

It's an interesting situation. The tabloids have absolutely fueled and shaped it. The toxic mix of the various factors is pretty crazy, and Paul Dacre's wet dream:

Suburban home invasion
Travellers
Hero OAP
Righteous justice
Shit police
Flowers and sad cards from small children
Don't touch my fence
House prices
Gypsy funeral
Middle England v the criminal travellers

etc etc... Almost a perfect storm Hopefully sense will prevail

 

[scifisam]

The family should be allowed to express their grief etc but they in turn need to appreciate the depth of revulsion and disgust (and fear) that locals will be feeling and just stay away now.

The funeral idea is insane and just makes the whole traveller community look bad, and if it goes ahead as stated it will kick off. Going tooled up to rob pensioners is about as low as you can get, and some people will be seriously steamed up and raging about it and go looking to batter the travellers.

Travellers will be drunk as fuck and ready to fight back. It's not going to end well.

It's an interesting situation. The tabloids have absolutely fueled and shaped it. The toxic mix of the various factors is pretty crazy, and Paul Dacre's wet dream:

Suburban home invasion
Travellers
Hero OAP
Righteous justice
Shit police
Flowers and sad cards from small children
Don't touch my fence
House prices
Gypsy funeral
Middle England v the criminal travellers

etc etc... Almost a perfect storm Hopefully sense will prevail

That's the idea (the bolded bit). The Mirror has made this up.

 

[Wilf]

It's an interesting situation. The tabloids have absolutely fueled and shaped it. The toxic mix of the various factors is pretty crazy, and Paul Dacre's wet dream:

Suburban home invasion
Travellers
Hero OAP
Righteous justice
Shit police
Flowers and sad cards from small children
Don't touch my fence
House prices
Gypsy funeral
Middle England v the criminal travellers

etc etc... Almost a perfect storm Hopefully sense will prevail

I think it was Stompingman #3, the Terry Pratchett tribute act, who also said 'my dad didn't fight at Monte Casino only to get 2 bob a week pension' for this. There's your bonus ball.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That's the idea (the bolded bit). The Mirror has made this up.

Yes, this. £100,000 on a funeral is an insane amount. It just doesn't sound true. 10,000 is expensive but easy to rack up though. More believable/realistic.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

TBF the whole article is speculation, he will probably be disposed of 'on the cheap' with a DWP funeral grant, which from personal experience, I suspect, will probably be snaffled by the 'nearest and dearest'leaving the funeral home out of pocket.

You are miles off the mark here bud.

Have a look at the ‘family’ and the wider mileu from which ‘the boy’ was from.

Have a look at the common rituals of the community.

There will be no DWP funeral (they may contribute to it however) but It’ll be a vibrant celebration of lumpen culture.

 

[coley]

You are miles off the mark here bud.

Have a look at the ‘family’ and the wider mileu from which ‘the boy’ was from.

Have a look at the common rituals of the community.

There will be no DWP funeral (they may contribute to it however) but It’ll be a vibrant celebration of lumpen culture.

You will have to give me some links, I'm making my 'assumptions' from the local NE 'community'

 

[Celyn]

Berrata? I believe, orrible bliddy shoes though.

Quite so

 

[Celyn]

The family should be allowed to express their grief etc but they in turn need to appreciate the depth of revulsion and disgust (and fear) that locals will be feeling and just stay away now.

The funeral idea is insane and just makes the whole traveller community look bad, and if it goes ahead as stated it will kick off. Going tooled up to rob pensioners is about as low as you can get, and some people will be seriously steamed up and raging about it and go looking to batter the travellers.

Travellers will be drunk as fuck and ready to fight back. It's not going to end well.

It's an interesting situation. The tabloids have absolutely fueled and shaped it. The toxic mix of the various factors is pretty crazy, and Paul Dacre's wet dream:

Suburban home invasion
Travellers
Hero OAP
Righteous justice
Shit police
Flowers and sad cards from small children
Don't touch my fence
House prices
Gypsy funeral
Middle England v the criminal travellers

etc etc... Almost a perfect storm Hopefully sense will prevail

But the people of

 

[twentythreedom]

That's the idea (the bolded bit). The Mirror has made this up.

Feels like the whole thing from arrest onwards has been created by the fucking tabloids tbh

 

[twentythreedom]

But the people of

Wut

 

[Mrs D]

Thanks to Winston Churchill

 

[existentialist]

Thanks to Winston Churchill

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I'm not sure what Winston Churchill's got to do with that pic?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm not sure what Winston Churchill's got to do with that pic?

He is one of the heroes on those placards.

 

[existentialist]

He is one of the heroes on those placards.

Ah. I responded to that post on my tablet, and the pic was too small to see it was him. Now I'm on my PC, I can see it. Even so, WTF? I think equating Mr Osborn-Brooks with Winston Churchill is stretching a point!

 

[JimW]

Precisely, Churchill would have brained him with a brandy bottle not a knife.

 

[DotCommunist]

or gassed him

 

[likesfish]

I think the clan if they carry out there threat to parade the coffin past the house might be in for a surprise
5% of the traveller population is in prison.
A close look at the Gyipsy minority won't do them any favours and a Burglar who got stabbed by a pensioner defending his disabled wife is not a hill you want to make a stand on..

generally the British don't do mob justice but if they did a small easily identifiable minority make an ideal target

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ah. I responded to that post on my tablet, and the pic was too small to see it was him. Now I'm on my PC, I can see it. Even so, WTF? I think equating Mr Osborn-Brooks with Winston Churchill is stretching a point!

I agree. I wasn't doing that though.

 

[existentialist]

I think the clan if they carry out there threat to parade the coffin past the house might be in for a surprise
5% of the traveller population is in prison.
A close look at the Gyipsy minority won't do them any favours and a Burglar who got stabbed by a pensioner defending his disabled wife is not a hill you want to make a stand on..

generally the British don't do mob justice but if they did a small easily identifiable minority make an ideal target

I really hope it doesn't happen. But I think you're right to say that there's a possibility. And, regardless of the criminal proclivities of a part of a group, targeting and blaming the group for that can't achieve anything.

The best thing, IMO, that could happen is that the whole thing is completely ignored. His relatives claim that this is a private matter, not a public demonstration or threat. So, if they feel, privately, that the way they feel they want to mark the passing of Vincent is to drive his corpse down the road his last victim lived in, then perhaps they should be allowed to do that. Privately. Ideally, it would be organised such that their great parade went, privately, down a few silent and empty streets. Nobody shouting at them, nobody for them to demonstrate to or, if that's what they are doing, threaten. Just a private funeral.

It would be impolite to be on the street and not pay some sort of respect as a coffin goes past...so don't be on the street. Silent, empty and deserted streets. It'd make a far greater statement about the ability of the community to come together and act as one than any amount of sloganeering, abuse, or hurled rocks. And I think it would be deeply unnerving for those privately driving their relative past his victim's house.

Give them exactly what they claim to want - privacy. In spades.

And then it's over.

 

[Sweet FA]

Thanks to Winston Churchill

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This bloke is a known local character. Amongst his other recent achievements is a bomb shelter he has built with pallets on the bank of the river outside the church. He regularly covers his head in tin foil.