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Pc David Rathband (Raoul Moat victim) dead

ElizabethofYork said:
But I'm sure you have sympathy.
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I have some sympathy for him in the fact that he couldn't reconcile himself to his injury, but that's tempered by him arguably having access, if he'd wanted it, to better mental health care than Joe Public sometimes gets for similar injuries.
 
Dooby said:
Piece from the BBC called Being Suddenly Blind
David Rathband, the police officer shot and blinded by fugitive gunman Raoul Moat, has been found dead. He had spoken of his struggle to adjust to life without sight. It's a hugely difficult transition to make, writes Damon Rose, who lost his sight at 13.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17220008
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17220008
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Interesting point right at the end of that article, which I had lalready been thinking in relation to VPs dad. The cop had no warning whatsioever he was going to go blind. VPs dad on the other hand had prior warning, there is a difference, a very big difference.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I have some sympathy for him in the fact that he couldn't reconcile himself to his injury, but that's tempered by him arguably having access, if he'd wanted it, to better mental health care than Joe Public sometimes gets for similar injuries.
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Read the article just posted, he had no support for 10 months!! rather fucks your argument!
 
1927 said:
Read the article just posted, he had no support for 10 months!! rather fucks your argument!
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That's social services, not a psychiatrist. Surely the hospital or a GP, or even the police themselves, should have referred him. Whether he chose to go though is an entirely different matter
 
1927 said:
Read the article just posted, he had no support for 10 months!! rather fucks your argument!
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I did read it.
Social services support is part of what you get. That he didn't get any is reprehensible. However, It doesn't comprise any of the psychotherapeutic element of support, which in his case would have been offered through his employers (by direct referral) and through his general practioner "by referral to local trust).
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
That's social services, not a psychiatrist. Surely the hospital or a GP, or even the police themselves, should have referred him. Whether he chose to go though is an entirely different matter
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The police, like any other Civil Service outpost, has an occupational health dept. If they operate like any other Civil Service outpost, the OHD would have a list of favoured and/or retained specialists. If that doesn't suit, there's then your GP to refer you on.
 
bi0boy said:
Pig tops himself

I'm surprised Urban gives so many fucks.
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In terms of his job, you're right, I don't give that many. At some instinctive level I also didn't really warm to him as an individual when he was interviewed (even prior to the wife beating thing). However I still manage to feel a bit of sympathy for someone who was blinded and couldn't cope with it - and also for his family. People have their own opinions on this but personally, as an anarko, I don't feel my politics are really compromised by a bit of fellow feeling.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Maybe that's because I get especially pissed off at people doing it when they have access to extensive support of the kind that's often not available to Joe Average.
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What separates him from everyone else (and by extension an acceptable target) is that he's a cop. But youre stopping short of actually saying that for some reason.
 
Wilf said:
In terms of his job, you're right, I don't give that many. At some instinctive level I also didn't really warm to him as an individual when he was interviewed (even prior to the wife beating thing). However I still manage to feel a bit of sympathy for someone who was blinded and couldn't cope with it - and also for his family. People have their own opinions on this but personally, as an anarko, I don't feel my politics are really compromised by a bit of fellow feeling.
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This, this, a million times this.
 
Citizen66 said:
What separates him from everyone else (and by extension an acceptable target) is that he's a cop.
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There was me thinking that what separated him from the majority of people who've undergone life-altering trauma was that he topped himself. Foolish me!

But youre stopping short of actually saying that for some reason.
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Really? I was sure I'd mentioned it at least once.
 
ViolentPanda said:
There was me thinking that what separated him from the majority of people who've undergone life-altering trauma was that he topped himself. Foolish me!



Really? I was sure I'd mentioned it at least once.
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I mean you feel you can call him weak, where as you probably wouldnt say the same about a nurse faced with the same fate.
 
discokermit said:
meh. dead wife beating pig. boohoo.
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This was my first reaction tbh. But the bloke went through something I'd not wish on anyone, something there is no right way to deal with whatever some people around here may think.

The moral of the story is that if you're gonna shoot a copper in the face, try and make sure you kill him. I have to say I'm more of a 'show them the error of their ways' sort of chap myself though.
 
krtek a houby said:
4 pages in and you could predict that a so-called RIP thread would degenerate into a point scoring slangfest. It's almost like one of those nasty facebook threads we decry :(
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To be fair the supposed sanctity of an RIP thread is a little mawkish.
 
Garek said:
To be fair the supposed sanctity of an RIP thread is a little mawkish.
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True - as soon as Chomsky pops his clogs I'll be the first one here to call him a specky four eyes egg-head. Sacred cows, not me sir. :cool:
 
ViolentPanda said:
Yes, of course it is. Closely akin. :facepalm:
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How is it different? Considering suicide and depression and similar m/h problems are closely linked, how is telling a depressed person to pull their socks up any different to deducing someone who commits suicide was weak just because they happen to tick a particular occupation box?
 
Citizen66 said:
How is it different? Considering suicide and depression and similar m/h problems are closely linked, how is telling a depressed person to pull their socks up any different to deducing someone who commits suicide was weak just because they happen to tick a particular occupation box?
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I didn't deduce that he was weak because of his occupation, but because of his actions. You seem to be mistaking my saying that this path seemed more prevalent in coppers with me saying that coppers who commit suicide are weak, which is something I haven't said.
 
I'm sure I heard him on LBC a few months ago talking to Nick Ferrari about his recovery and I remarked how positive he sounded in spite of everything. I remember thinking how brave he was and wondered how on earth I'd cope in the same situation.

Very sad to hear he couldn't cope after all :(
 
krtek a houby said:
You think? All human life is "sacred". I couldn't imagine similar commentary on a thread about a deceased urbanite or someone who's just lost a loved one...
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He is not personally known to any of us. That's a terrible strawman even by your terrible standards. :facepalm:
 
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